Coronavirus

[Count Boso]

Sure, but what are the per capita figures? They, surely, are more relevant.

Well, the per capita figures are useful for comparative purposes - but adding an extra 50,928 to the UK's figures means 50,928 more UK deaths down to coronavirus, doesn't it? deaths that we have had but would not have had but for coronavirus - still a matter of how the virus was dealt with by the government.

France has a slightly bigger population (70m) and far fewer excess deaths than the UK (66.65m) and Italy's population at 60m is a bit less. They don't make the UK's figures any better.

[Count Boso]

Thinking about it again, no I don't agree that the per capita figures are MORE relevant. The percentage excess deaths cover that: UK +54%, Italy +43%, France +27%.

[johnb]

Sure, but what are the per capita figures? They, surely, are more relevant.

I checked the per capita figures yesterday when I saw Count Boso's post - they are roughly in line with the excess deaths, whether expressed as the number of deaths or percentage increases.

Edit:
Expressed on a per capita basis, my calculations are:

UK: 75.0 per 100,000
Italy: 67.5 per 100,000
France: 42.2 per 100,000

[johnb]

Yesterday there were two "events" near where I live in Bristol that have left me gob-smacked.

Down the hill there were hundreds of people on the green outside the Star and Garter pub. Absolutely no social distancing. The pub facilitated the gathering by playing music throughout and, presumably, providing off-licence drinks (though I don't know that for certain). This started in the afternoon and continued beyond midnight.

At the same time there was a "street party" or "rave" on Stokes Croft. The reaction, photos and video on twitter: https://twitter.com/search?q=stokes%...rc=typed_query

[Cockney Sparrow]

Seems like they had better not stand down those Nightingale Hospitals.......

[Dave2002]

The FT has an interesting article here - https://www.ft.com/content/2418ff87-...8-38f5164a2e94

I didn't spot this when it first came out, but it looks as though household, public transport and dining activities are the major problems.
Indoors bad, too.

Note that Germany has had a significant outbreak recently.

[Count Boso]

At the same time there was a "street party" or "rave" on Stokes Croft.

The pandemic is declared officially over. I thought twice about putting an anti-youth comment because this is probably more about intelligence than age.

I checked the per capita figures yesterday when I saw Count Boso's post - they are roughly in line with the excess deaths, whether expressed as the number of deaths or percentage increases.

Edit:
Expressed on a per capita basis, my calculations are:

UK: 75.0 per 100,000
Italy: 67.5 per 100,000
France: 42.2 per 100,000

Yes, I worked out those figures as UK 0.0764, Italy 0.0676, France 0.0411 but I didn't know what to do with them to be meaningful. Thanks for clarification. The normal number of deaths had already been averaged out over a five-year period so that provided the non variable for each country. Your figures (and my failed attempt) provided an alternative comparison, not too far different from the increase percentages.

[johnb]

Yes, I worked out those figures as UK 0.0764, Italy 0.0676, France 0.0411 but I didn't know what to do with them to be meaningful.

Your figures are slightly different to the ones I arrived at, probably because we used different sources for our population figures.

[MrGongGong]

Yesterday there were two "events" near where I live in Bristol that have left me gob-smacked.

Down the hill there were hundreds of people on the green outside the Star and Garter pub. Absolutely no social distancing. The pub facilitated the gathering by playing music throughout and, presumably, providing off-licence drinks (though I don't know that for certain). This started in the afternoon and continued beyond midnight.

At the same time there was a "street party" or "rave" on Stokes Croft. The reaction, photos and video on twitter: https://twitter.com/search?q=stokes%...rc=typed_query

What's the problem ?

We have a government who ignore all the advice , leading by example .....

(that's not a "Rave" though )

[Count Boso]

Your figures are slightly different to the ones I arrived at, probably because we used different sources for our population figures.

Yeah. I just googled "population France" and used that figure.

But the point about the BBC comparison is that it measureas how well each of the three countries have kept their own death rate down. I thought France was quite hard hit but it turns out to have been relatively good (if not compared with Germany). But if we really wanted to keep our death rate down, it looks as if we should have been advised to drink plenty of vodka

[Cockney Sparrow]

The FT has an interesting article here - https://www.ft.com/content/2418ff87-...8-38f5164a2e94

I didn't spot this when it first came out, but it looks as though household, public transport and dining activities are the major problems.
Indoors bad, too.
Note that Germany has had a significant outbreak recently.

Thanks for that link - and the information, which clarifies what I suppose I knew, cumulatively from general reading or would suppose to be the case. Rehearsals for my 2 choir memberships seem farther away than ever. I've seen truly massive testing advocated - perhaps that will come (UK would be the last, of course) and I will test 24 hours before rehearsal, and only attend if I come back clear........

I was surprised to see the FT has a significant number of other articles "Free to Read" in relation to the pandemic. I use the very small allowance of access to articles without a subscription so I don't click on a link and use my allowance up very readily. (I wish there was a lower cost access in return for no access to the hard core market/business content).

[johnb]

What's the problem ?

Selfishly I would like to be able to listen to my music without the background of someone else's. They don't call me a curmudgeonly old git for nothing.

We have a government who ignore all the advice , leading by example .....

Very true.

(that's not a "Rave" though )

Probably not, my knowledge of raves is ... err ... a bit theoretical.

[MrGongGong]

Selfishly I would like to be able to listen to my music without the background of someone else's. They don't call me a curmudgeonly old git for nothing.

These are very highly regarded in some circles

https://europe.beyerdynamic.com/dt-770-m.html

[Dave2002]

These are very highly regarded in some circles

https://europe.beyerdynamic.com/dt-770-m.html

Do you like them? I recently got some DT990 Pros, which look similar, but are open style. I bought them to replace a pair of DTX900s, which I liked a lot, but had developed a fault. I'm not actually sure that I like the 990s any better, for various reasons - I may still try to get my 900s fixed.

I agree that trying closed style cans may give better isolation from external noise, though they may feel claustrophobic.

Now drifting OT.

[MrGongGong]

Do you like them? I recently got some DT990 Pros, which look similar, but are open style. I bought them to replace a pair of DTX900s, which I liked a lot, but had developed a fault. I'm not actually sure that I like the 990s any better, for various reasons - I may still try to get my 900s fixed.

I agree that trying closed style cans may give better isolation from external noise, though they may feel claustrophobic.

Now drifting OT.

Don't have some myself
I mostly use DT250's at the moment which have good isolation (I wasn't being 100% serious)