Coronavirus

[johnb]

NW R rate now.......1.01......

gosh, who would've seen that coming....

we're all so so careless!

That R number for the NW might well come from the "now-casting" modelling done by the Cambridge MRC Biostatistics Unit: https://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/now-casting/

Scroll down to "Infections and Deaths" and select the "R_t" tab **.

You can then run the mouse over the regional charts to see the estimated median R number (R_t) at various dates, together with estimates of its possible range.

** R_t or R_e is what is now commonly referred to as the R number.

[Serial_Apologist]

NW R rate now.......1.01......

gosh, who would've seen that coming....

we're all so so careless!

Sunday's lunchtime Radio 4 news programme frequently takes up issues otherwise consigned to out-of-hours discussions inviting escapee American professors working in UK universities able at safe distance to present useful and meaningful fixes on world, in particular American politics. Today's announcement at the start of a "special report" had me on tenterhooks in expectation of an hour-long extension, as with Any Answers. Instead we were bombarded with apocalyptic visions of a world heading for economic collapse everywhere, the gap between rich and poor widening as never before, and world leaders tasked with having totally to rethink economic models if we all are to be saved. Little by way of exemplification of either the suitability of the present lot to these ends or of what the latter might mean was brought to the discussion table to relieve the feeling of what's the point in going on - instead we had on the leader of the World Bank and Tony Blair, of all the people we might have preferred to offer solutions or at least suggestions. David Harvey, for instance. The idea of a Living Wage was hinted at (I think?) but little (if anything at all, unless I missed something) was said about creating jobs in conservation and alternative energy and technologies, let alone sustainable employment, and affordability prospects for the presently lower income range and into old age. By their omission one felt bound to assume these ideas are considered beyond reasonable.

Another totally missed opportunity at peak listening time by the BB bloody C to add to Sunday Worship's earlier wasted hour of simpering music, platitudes and non-sequiturs, reinforcing pessimism all around.

[Frances_iom]

Sunday's lunchtime Radio 4 news programme...
Another totally missed opportunity at peak listening time by the BB bloody C ....

It was actually extremely lazy journalism - a trend that started re Covid but has increased (dare I misuse 'exponentially') since - possibly bereft of their sub-editors they resort to a long sequence of clips all of which could be summarised in a few words then followed by a thoughtful resume + conclusion that might be drawn possibly taking one or two clips as a foundation on which to build.
But I doubt if the new DG with no background in arts or news will change things - marketing people tend it appears to think in slogans the veracity of which is seldom testable by the use of weasel words - this might well work well in selling American junk food + beverage but at one time the BBC had much higher standards.

[teamsaint]

It was actually extremely lazy journalism - a trend that started re Covid but has increased (dare I misuse 'exponentially') since - possibly bereft of their sub-editors they resort to a long sequence of clips all of which could be summarised in a few words then followed by a thoughtful resume + conclusion that might be drawn possibly taking one or two clips as a foundation on which to build.
But I doubt if the new DG with no background in arts or news will change things - marketing people tend it appears to think in slogans the veracity of which is seldom testable by the use of weasel words - this might well work well in selling American junk food + beverage but at one time the BBC had much higher standards.

I’m not sure that in general this is true, but no doubt applies to some , and probably to the BBC high flyers.

With no evidence at all, the new man in charge looks exactly like the sort of new boss to make your heart sink, as an employee.

[Count Boso]

I’m not sure that in general this is true, but no doubt applies to some , and probably to the BBC high flyers.

With no evidence at all, the new man in charge looks exactly like the sort of new boss to make your heart sink, as an employee.

Looks like you might call this next No. 1 a BBC high flyer. On average he's been promoted every 3 or 4 years since he arrived so he'll probably move on to be prime minister in 4 years time. Or perhaps even chief adviser to the prime minister.

[Dave2002]

Now we hear that the number of deaths in Brazil due to Covid 19 is about to exceed the equivalent number in the UK. It's not good, but on a per capita basis it's still way better than the UK. The population of Brazil is approximately (a bit more than) 3 times that of the UK.

The TV news tonight had a rather pathetic graphic showing the R number in different parts of the UK. When wll people realise that numbers only slightly lower than 1 are going to give a very prolonged "recovery" from the disease? They probably won't.

If there isn't a change or a significant resurgence of the disease it's going to take until Christmas to have a reasonable chance of eliminating infections from the virus from these shores.

[LMcD]

Now we hear that the number of deaths in Brazil due to Covid 19 is about to exceed the equivalent number in the UK. It's not good, but on a per capita basis it's still way better than the UK. The population of Brazil is approximately (a bit more than) 3 times that of the UK.

The TV news tonight had a rather pathetic graphic showing the R number in different parts of the UK. When wll people realise that numbers only slightly lower than 1 are going to give a very prolonged "recovery" from the disease? They probably won't.

If there isn't a change or a significant resurgence of the disease it's going to take until Christmas to have a reasonable chance of eliminating infections from the virus from these shores.

... by which time the 'track and trace' system and the self-isolation programme for people arriving from abroad MIGHT both be fully operational.

[Count Boso]

Now we hear that the number of deaths in Brazil due to Covid 19 is about to exceed the equivalent number in the UK. It's not good, but on a per capita basis it's still way better than the UK. The population of Brazil is approximately (a bit more than) 3 times that of the UK.

But the population density of the UK is approximately ten times greater at 275 people per sq k, as against 25. And the UK was close to the European 'hotspots' and has now been plateauing whereas Brazil is yet to reach its peak. The number of cases in Brazil is indeed approaching three times those in the UK. It seems as if someone there has a lot to answer for.

[MrGongGong]

... by which time the 'track and trace' system and the self-isolation programme for people arriving from abroad MIGHT both be fully operational.

Does the " self-isolation programme for people arriving from abroad" apply to rich people ?

https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/living/private-jet-travel-coronavirus-uk-a4418406.html

[oddoneout]

Does the " self-isolation programme for people arriving from abroad" apply to rich people ?



https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/l...-a4418406.html

Well they already exist within their own bubble, so perhaps not so much of an issue?
When I mentioned to my son a couple of weeks ago the occasional clots of contrails here heading out over the North Sea he mentioned that there is constant traffic of private jets flying over where he is south of London - what I used to know as Kent...

[MrGongGong]

Well they already exist within their own bubble, so perhaps not so much of an issue?
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"All in this together"

[Cockney Sparrow]

But the population density of the UK is approximately ten times greater at 275 people per sq k, as against 25. And the UK was close to the European 'hotspots' and has now been plateauing whereas Brazil is yet to reach its peak. The number of cases in Brazil is indeed approaching three times those in the UK. It seems as if someone there has a lot to answer for.

Not sure its going to be possible to follow the data in future:

"Brazil stops releasing Covid-19 death toll and wipes data from official site"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/07/brazil-stops-releasing-covid-19-death-toll-and-wipes-data-from-official-site

[Bryn]

Not sure its going to be possible to follow the data in future:

"Brazil stops releasing Covid-19 death toll and wipes data from official site"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-official-site

Bolsonaro, clearly one of a batch of 'Boys from Brazil' personified.

[oddoneout]

"All in this together"

Indeed - in the silo marked 'Other', to avoid the bubbles having to see or think about them and have their version of life sullied by reality.

[MrGongGong]

Now this is a surprise

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/09/uks-test-and-trace-system-not-fit-for-purpose-say-scientists?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR38wR7iUdWsF2yMYsWYWdWNN6U4yn_lo3RejEev7vfZ98bKUTZS3lL6EZg

Who the f is Sir David King anyway ?

Sir David King was the permanent Special Representative for Climate Change from September 2013 until March 2017. Sir David was previously the Government’s Chief Scientific Advisor from 2000 to 2007, during which time he raised awareness of the need for governments to act on climate change and was instrumental in creating the Energy Technologies Institute.

He also served as the Founding Director of the Smith School of Enterprise and Environment at Oxford; was Head of the Department of Chemistry at Cambridge University 1993-2000 and Master of Downing College at Cambridge 1995 -2000.

Sir David has published over 500 papers on science and policy, for which he has received numerous awards, and holds 22 Honorary Degrees from universities around the world. Elected a Fellow of the Royal Society in 1991, a Foreign Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2002 and knighted in 2003, Sir David was also made an Officier of the French Legion d’Honneur’ in 2009, for work which has contributed to responding to the climate and energy challenge.

Yeah yeah yeah

But what would he know ?
Nothing to see here .... move on ............and die