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Best wishes, all.
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Sorry for the confusion. I am very appreciative of the work which jb does in this area, much of which is very factual, so I wasn't sure of the intention in msg 2183, and msg 2184 threw me. If another of our well-known contributors had written 2183 I may very well have taken it a different way.
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Yes, but her own specialism is counter terrorism offences and counter terrorism offenders, isn't it, not anti-testing measures,Originally posted by johnb View PostComment
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....yes what a great big useless expert she is....(and of course Shop-lifting is down at the moment)....Originally posted by Count Boso View Postbong chingComment
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... a piece of advice yours truly might wish to heed at times!Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostWhenever I'm attempting to convey irony, if it might not be clear I always try to remember to use the
emoticon to avoid possible ambiguity.Comment
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Her own "specialism" is bullying and another word beginning with BOriginally posted by Count Boso View PostComment
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That was rather my reaction - I'm used to jb's posts being factual and 'straight' so as Dave says I didn't immediately think 'oh, irony'.Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostComment
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Not being particularly au fait with jb's posts, I did, but there you goOriginally posted by oddoneout View Post
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Sorry to everyone if my post wasn't obviously ironic, and apologies for misunderstanding Dave's comments.Originally posted by oddoneout View PostComment
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The saga of the 400,000 medical gowns from Turkey get more complicated (or do I mean bizarre?) as time passes.
A few days ago all newspapers had headlines to the effect that the 400 gown consignment didn't meet UK standards and were useless. As most newspapers carried the story it might well have been leaked or briefed to the newspapers by the government.
According to The Guardian it turns out that:
- 2,400 gowns from an initial batch of 67,000 had failed safety tests.
- 4,500 were deemed fit for use [heaven knows what the situation is with the rest of the batch: 60,100 gowns]
- 170,000 are still held in Turkey awaiting tests
- The rest are yet to be delivered.
... and a Turkish diplomatic source said “So far nobody approached us or claimed for anything from any company in Turkey,”
Also, the procurement of the gowns was somewhat more "interesting" than had been announced:
The government had been negotiating with the Turkish company for a couple of weeks but the order for PPE was only confirmed by UK officials on the Thursday with the deposit finally paid on the Friday. This was the Friday before the Saturday when Robert Jenrick announced that a large consignment of PPE, including 400,000 gowns, would arrive on Sunday, the following day. (Matt Hancock is reported to have asked Jenrick not to make that announcement.)
Mehmet Duzen, in Turkey, who had been co-ordinating the purchase with the company Selegna, reportedly said "If it was a normal order, I would have cancelled it. Because there was a misunderstanding and there was no time. How could I supply the goods in one night?"
After some frantic discussions between various parties the Turkish government intervened to help Britain "save face", instructing a different company, state owned "Ushas", to dispatch come supplies to Britain so that the military plane that the UK had sent could return home with some PPE cargo.
On Thursday 23rd April Mehmet Duzen told the FT that 300,000 gowns had already been handed over to private couriers [though we don't know if that was actually the case].
etc, etc
You really don't know who or what to believe.
(What did we do to deserve this crew?)Last edited by johnb; 08-05-20, 22:40.Comment
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Perhaps this bizarre situation is the result of a dodgy deal in a bazaar.Originally posted by johnb View PostThe saga of the 400,000 medical gowns from Turkey get more complicated (or do I mean bizarre?) as time passes.
A few days ago all newspapers had headlines to the effect that the 400 gown consignment didn't meet UK standards and were useless. As most newspapers carried the story it might well have been leaked or briefed to the newspapers by the government.
According to The Guardian it turns out that:
- 2,400 gowns from an initial batch of 67,000 had failed safety tests.
- 4,500 were deemed fit for use [heaven knows what the situation is with the rest of the batch: 60,100 gowns]
- 170,000 are still held in Turkey awaiting tests
- The rest are yet to be delivered.
... and a Turkish diplomatic source said “So far nobody approached us or claimed for anything from any company in Turkey,”
Also, the procurement of the gowns was somewhat more "interesting" than had been announced:
The government had been negotiating with the Turkish company for a couple of weeks but the order for PPE was only confirmed by UK officials on the Thursday with the deposit finally paid on the Friday. This was the Friday before the Saturday when Robert Jenrick announced that a large consignment of PPE, including 400,000 gowns, would arrive on Sunday, the following day. (Matt Hancock is reported to have asked Jenrick not to make that announcement.)
Mehmet Duzen, in Turkey, who had been co-ordinating the purchase with the company Selegna, reportedly said "If it was a normal order, I would have cancelled it. Because there was a misunderstanding and there was no time. How could I supply the goods in one night?"
After some frantic discussions between various parties the Turkish government intervened to help Britain "save face", instructing a different company, state owned "Ushas", to dispatch come supplies to Britain so that the military plane that the UK had sent could return home with some PPE cargo.
On Thursday 23rd April Mehmet Duzen told the FT that 300,000 gowns had already been handed over to private couriers [though we don't know if that was actually the case].
etc, etc
You really don't know who or what to believe.
(What did we do to deserve this crew?)
Would that the story you tell were a work of function and not, sadly, factual.
As for your final question - well, I guess that, the last time we had a choice, the alternatives to the crowd we're landed with seemed even less worthy of our support. Am I alone in starting to feel that some politicians of whom we were at one time so critical were (are) increasingly seen as men and women of considerable stature - indeed statesmanlike giants - compared with BJ and his gang?
In terms of whom to believe - well, I haven't checked, but I suspect that the listening and viewing figures for the Downing Street briefings have declined substantially, with public respect for the 'experts' ebbing away as the government ministers continue in their mistaken but firmly held view that the general public could not be trusted with the truth even if the former knew what it was.Comment
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I suspect the UK is in the final stages of the non-acceptance that it is a small remnant of a one time imperial power, currently in a situation akin to Austria as the old Hapsburg dual monarchy collapsed at the end of WW1 - less than 20 years later that country was happy to join its larger fascist neighbour.Comment
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I have a vision that BJ is waiting until Sunday before rummaging in a waste paper basket for a used envelope and a broken pencil, so that he can scribble a few short ideas to “inform” us all. Will he find a pencil sharpener in time? Assuming of course he had the foresight to get one.Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostComment
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For some reason the words lead and pencil sprang to mind, but were dismissed as not relevant in the circumstances...Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostComment
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And that's about as damning a recital of recent events as you can have.Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostComment
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