Coronavirus

[oddoneout]

I think we can all agree about that.


( i’m imagining the response in Egham to being rebranded as part of South London.... )

Give it a few years...I still get thrown by all the places I knew as a student that were not London which have now become so.

[MrGongGong]

and for the scratch contingent https://scontent.flhr4-1.fna.fbcdn.n...4f&oe=5ED7ABE2

[DracoM]

Smack on.........what an insidious machiavellian bit of nasty.

[MrGongGong]

Smack on.........what an insidious machiavellian bit of nasty.

Maybe we need a few more weeks of compliance training ?

Seems like the folks of the testing island (the sheep of Gruinard are going to be mighty miffed) are going to give it a go.

[Bryn]

I think we can all agree about that.


( i’m imagining the response in Egham to being rebranded as part of South London.... )

I was forgetting that Staines is now a stain on the Thames, oops, Staines-upon-Thames, in the Borough of Spelthorne.

[Petrushka]

and for the scratch contingent https://scontent.flhr4-1.fna.fbcdn.n...4f&oe=5ED7ABE2

I wouldn't touch this app with a bargepole.

[Bryn]

I wouldn't touch this app with a bargepole.

Agreed. I would consider the Apple-Google app, however.

[MrGongGong]

Agreed. I would consider the Apple-Google app, however.

Doesn't EVERYONE have to have the same one for it to work ?

Or maybe they are planning special "executive" ones for the rich?

[Bryn]

Doesn't EVERYONE have to have the same one for it to work ?

Or maybe they are planning special "executive" ones for the rich?

By no means everyone has a smartphone. More countries have opted for a decentralised approach. The centralised app looks to break data protection legislation. . . .

[MrGongGong]

By no means everyone has a smartphone. Those who do have one may not want to drain their battery by leaving Bluetooth left on. More countries have opted for a decentralised approach. The centralised app looks to break data protection legislation. . . .

To add to that, according to folks I know who really DO know about this stuff (Including Professor of creative computing at a well known UK institution) there are fundamental issues with Bluetooth that makes it unreliable (as most of us know). Which is why there is lots of stuff around V5 and it's possible applications in medical monitoring.

Several years ago when I was doing some research at STEIM in Amsterdam I went to a gig where (like lots of folks) someone was using hacked Wii controllers to create electronic music/images. In order for the devices to pair correctly, everyone had to go outside with any devices they had and walk to the end of the road and back to ensure the pairing worked.

Bluetooth is one thing (along with ethernet-based mixing desks and a few other daft ideas) that I would avoid.

Furthermore, as one of the most famous residents of the IOW will tell us, the whole thing is a conspiracy by the evil lizards who are going to suck out our souls while the music of Willie Nelson plays on an endless loop (gives me an idea for a gig)

[Dave2002]

I wouldn't touch this app with a bargepole.

It's quite hard to think of any contact tracing technique which wouldn't violate some privacy principles. Having said that, possibly some methods are less problematic.

How are these things suppose to work? Is that idea that several person's positions are calculated, and then if two come close a check is made to see if one or other has a problem (such as previous or current exposure to CV-19). Is this to be done in real time, or post some form of data collection? Then since presumably there is some id information associated with each phone - one or both owners are now notified of the contact. What would they then be supposed to do with that information?

What would happen if they didn't comply with the recommendation based on the information received?

In the meantime, there is at least one third party which knowns the details of the contact, and whatever concern was of interest. Note that the "concern of interest" doesn't have to be anything at all related to CV-19.

The claim is that presumably the "third party" - the little "man" inside the centralised computer system - can't or won't pass on "his" data to any "unauthorised" person - so we're back to trust all over again.

Could it be worth risking such trust in order (perhaps) to stay alive?

[teamsaint]

Ok, I really dont know anything about these apps.
So a question :

What would this proposed app give the NHS/ GCHQ / Government that they couldn’t or don’t already get from my iphone as I travel around?

I always assume stuff on my phone , data,locations visited etc, is easily retrievable if required by the authorities.

[MrGongGong]

Ok, I really dont know anything about these apps.
So a question :

What would this proposed app give the NHS/ GCHQ / Government that they couldn’t or don’t already get from my iphone as I travel around?

I always assume stuff on my phone , data,locations visited etc, is easily retrievable if required by the authorities.

It will give the likes of Cummings and his nasty mates your data which they can sell and make themselves richer.

What is needed (and the expertise is around) is some real hacking to frustrate them.

[Dave2002]

Ok, I really dont know anything about these apps.
So a question :

What would this proposed app give the NHS/ GCHQ / Government that they couldn’t or don’t already get from my iphone as I travel around?

I always assume stuff on my phone , data,locations visited etc, is easily retrievable if required by the authorities.

I wondered recently about how they get estimates of traffic usage. Is it possible that most vehicles now have in-built devices (e.g. phone connectivity) which enables them to be tracked? Any car with enhanced mobile phone capability could probably do that - and if the capability is in-built, then it could perhaps be used by authorities, whether or not the car's owner or user knew anything about this.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

What is needed (and the expertise is around) is some real hacking to frustrate them.

I know a man who can...