Coronavirus

[oddoneout]

. He also sent me a copy of the Attestation de Deplacement Derogatoire form which all French people have to download and sign each time they set foot beyond the door. They do love their paperwork over there! Plus:

Just to show you how the authorities here impose the rules on confinement, anyone caught without it [the form] risks a fine of 270€ + 200€ for a subsequent offense, then 1000€ for late payment of the fine or a prison sentence for disregarding the current measures altogether. Enjoy your partial democratic freedom!

I don't really see the point, since everyone can download them...except for the really elderly who don't know how to do it. They're really stuffed!

I was reading about that and wondered what happens if you don't have access to a printer, but I see that now a digital version is acceptable, and failing either of those a handwritten copy - but that presupposes access to a version to copy?

[cloughie]

Good question. The New Zealand PM demoted her Health Minister and took away his secondary post, while making it clear that, but for the coronavirus emergency, he would have been sacked. The Scottish Medical Director resigned when it became impossible for her to remain in post. I suspect 'Jenrick's Jaunt' may encourage other 'trips taking medicines to parents' - a claim which might prove difficult to disprove.

With the influence he could exert with medical practitioners and pharmacists I find it hard to believe he needed to travel to Herefordshire AND Shropshire when his family mansion is in London and his constituency is Newark, Notts where apparently his constituents rarely see him!

[LMcD]

With the influence he could exert with medical practitioners and pharmacists I find it hard to believe he needed to travel to Herefordshire AND Shropshire when his family mansion is in London and his constituency is Newark, Notts where apparently his constituents rarely see him!

Any more talk like that, sonny, and we shall have to seriously consider sending a couple of lads round to have a chat with you. You might like to have a small suitcase ready packed .

[cloughie]

Any more talk like that, sonny, and we shall have to seriously consider sending a couple of lads round to have a chat with you. You might like to have a small suitcase ready packed .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2JnDKvuNzw

[Dave2002]

Should Jenrick resign as a prominent ‘do as I say not as I do’ practitioner?

I don't know. I think helping out elderly parents is not unreasonable - for example by doing food drops, or medicine drops, but I hear rumours that he may have gone a long way, and thus set a blatantly bad example. Total clamp down on people who may be trying to do the right thing seems stupid, but some people are just pushing things too far. However, in the absence of some sensible services and joined up thinking, there are times when one might imagine that people taking things into their own hands makes sense. I would probably do that if I really thought it was the only way.

Also, some times things go wrong - as with the broken down delivery van the other day, which meant we had to go out to pick up the food. There are bound to be some failures which will need work arounds.

I have still not managed to get a sensible way of getting my prescription medicine. Allegedly the vast army of volunteer helpers are frustrated at not having too much to do. Also, many people who can't go out could easily be asked to co-ordinate logistics and strategies, without them needing to go out personally. I'd willingly do that for a few hours a day, if anyone wanted me to do that, but nobody seems to have thought that might be a good thing for those who are now in enforced "idleness". There are too many glitches in our "systems", which could be smoothed out or worked round, if people put their minds to them.

[cloughie]

I don't know. I think helping out elderly parents is not unreasonable - for example by doing food drops, or medicine drops, but I hear rumours that he may have gone a long way, and thus set a blatantly bad example. Total clamp down on people who may be trying to do the right thing seems stupid, but some people are just pushing things too far. However, in the absence of some sensible services and joined up thinking, there are times when one might imagine that people taking things into their own hands makes sense. I would probably do that if I really thought it was the only way.

Also, some times things go wrong - as with the broken down delivery van the other day, which meant we had to go out to pick up the food. There are bound to be some failures which will need work arounds.

I have still not managed to get a sensible way of getting my prescription medicine. Allegedly the vast army of volunteer helpers are frustrated at not having too much to do. Also, many people who can't go out could easily be asked to co-ordinate logistics and strategies, without them needing to go out personally. I'd willingly do that for a few hours a day, if anyone wanted me to do that, but nobody seems to have thought that might be a good thing for those who are now in enforced "idleness". There are too many glitches in our "systems", which could be smoothed out or worked round, if people put their minds to them.

Sorry but I do not buy it - which of his three homes is is his primary residence and is he not risking carrying the virus?

[Dave2002]

Sorry but I do not buy it - which of his three homes is is his primary residence and is he not risking carrying the virus?

I did say I don't know the details. No doubt I should read the tabloid or other papers in order to inform myself about this - which so far I have refrained from doing.

I guess this is one source - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...uring-lockdown

[Serial_Apologist]

Sorry but I do not buy it - which of his three homes is is his primary residence and is he not risking carrying the virus?

Under "normal" circumstances I would argue that imposing restrictions on personal freedoms encourages the worst in petty-mindedness and interfering curtain-twitching, but here I have to agree - unfortunately in this situation one does have to apply the "thin end of a wedge" position. How many freedoms we take for granted will we get back once this is all over is another question...

[MrGongGong]

Under "normal" circumstances I would argue that imposing restrictions on personal freedoms encourages the worst in petty-mindedness and interfering curtain-twitching, but here I have to agree - unfortunately in this situation one does have to apply the "thin end of a wedge" position. How many freedoms we take for granted will we get back once this is all over is another question...

It's very clear to me that "do as I say, not as I do" is rampant
as for the MP/PM who ignored all advice, got himself infected, probably went around infecting others ..... if he was a single parent in a poor neighbourhood ... and so on and so on

[LeMartinPecheur]

Any more talk like that, sonny, and we shall have to seriously consider sending a couple of lads round to have a chat with you. You might like to have a small suitcase ready packed .

Time to play some DSCH cloughie! In Uncle Joe's time he kept a suitcase behind the front door for just this sort of eventuality

[MrGongGong]

Time to play some DSCH cloughie! In Uncle Joe's time he kept a suitcase behind the front door for just this sort of eventuality

[jayne lee wilson]

One notes the home sec saying not "we're sorry for the inadequate supply of PPE to NHS workers, but "sorry if people feel there have been failings..." etc...

On and on they go.....
Further comment unnecessary, well printable comment at least.......

[oddoneout]

One notes the home sec saying not "we're sorry for the inadequate supply of PPE to NHS workers, but "sorry if people feel there have been failings..." etc...

On and on they go.....
Further comment unnecessary, well printable comment at least.......

While trying to find out more about the Jenrick issue I saw part of his birdsquawk thing - and wish I hadn't. There are people saying Priti Patel is PM material, that she handled the press thingy brilliantly, etc. How can people be so disconnected from reality? Anyway I have now decided that Jenrick is guilty of 'do as I say not as I do' exceptionalism but that in the scheme of things, given the cesspit operation at Westminster it isn't that important, and it's certainly not unique. Either his buddies will keep him on or he'll be ditched, but it will make not a jot of difference to anything that matters in the real world in which the rest of us are trying to survive.

[muzzer]

PP is an absolute abomination.

[Dave2002]

This article suggests how to gain control, then lose it again - https://www.wired.co.uk/article/asia...=pocket-newtab

Holidays abroad might have to be off the menu even if the local lockdown is lifted.