The BBC 1 'Prime Minister' debate

[Bella Kemp]

'Labour has blown it' - when exactly? When they got 40% of the vote in 2017, and would have won if it had just been people in their 20s voting? So what has happened since then - when did this betrayal begin? Because Labour's Brexit strategy hasn't changed substantially since 2017.

Sorry to be pedantic but the Tories in that election achieved 42% - and nearly a million more votes than Mr Corbyn. The mischievous media somehow presented this as a great Corbyn triumph. And I'm not being entirely mischievous when I observe that perhaps the voting age should be raised to 30 - when I was in my 20s I was just as daft as those young voters you cite, joined all the marches and was a firm supporter of Mr Benn! Yes, older people are wiser. The last election was a tragedy not only because the Tories won but because it fed the Corbynistas the delusion that another push might bring them to power. Oh, and on a personal note, young Master Kemp - in aforementioned 20s - did vote for JC in the GE, but thereafter has gone Green and tells his old Mum it will be Lib Dem in the next GE.

[jayne lee wilson]

Fool to Lear:

"Thou shouldst not have been old till thou hadst been wise."

KING LEAR, Act 1 Scene 5.

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“The most encouraging thing that I see, of course, is that the electors of tomorrow are already making themselves and their voices very, very clear. And that is a source of great comfort in a way, but also the justification, the reality, that these young people are recognising that their world is the future".

David Attenborough (age 93).

[MrGongGong]

'Labour has blown it' - when exactly?

Deciding to "respect the referendum" would be a good place to start IMV

[antongould]

I don't think they were, no. Next?

Excellent thank you that’s all for the moment ....

[MrGongGong]

Yes, older people are wiser.

I think I will have to disagree with you there
"ALL" of them?
I don't think so at all

What is encouraging (see Jaynes Attenborough quote) is that many of the young people I meet have more empathy, global awareness and understanding than those desperately hanging on trying to make sure their pensions are ok.

[cloughie]

I think I will have to disagree with you there
"ALL" of them?
I don't think so at all

What is encouraging (see Jaynes Attenborough quote) is that many of the young people I meet have more empathy, global awareness and understanding than those desperately hanging on trying to make sure their pensions are ok.

Do you mean all those people who have saved and paid into their pensions over a lifetime and now are told their state pension is a ‘benefit’ as though it is paid out by the government out of the kindness of the Chancellor’s heart!

[teamsaint]

The mischievous media somehow presented this as a great Corbyn triumph. .

The mischievous media have been putting the boot into Corbyn from day 1. That includes the liberal press, who will bear part of the blame if we get another tory government at the next election.

[MrGongGong]

Do you mean all those people who have saved and paid into their pensions over a lifetime and now are told their state pension is a ‘benefit’ as though it is paid out by the government out of the kindness of the Chancellor’s heart!

Thinking and acting in the best interests of future genrations and the planet would seem, to me, to be more important than making a pile of money for oneself.
Yes, i've also been "paying in" but I have very little expectation of being able to have the comfortable "retirement" that many in their 70's/80's currently enjoy.

[DracoM]

Do you mean all those people who have saved and paid into their pensions over a lifetime and now are told their state pension is a ‘benefit’ as though it is paid out by the government out of the kindness of the Chancellor’s heart!

Indeed, indeed. Ironic isn't it?

[jayne lee wilson]

Do you mean all those people who have saved and paid into their pensions over a lifetime and now are told their state pension is a ‘benefit’ as though it is paid out by the government out of the kindness of the Chancellor’s heart!

But that is disrespectful to those who HAVE to claim Benefits out of NEED - i.e ANYONE who does so, whether through ill health or unemployment or low income, usually having to submit themselves to appallingly cruel and unfair rules and tests....

We all pay taxes and NI to support such a system.

"Kindness"(!) was never supposed to come into it - "Cruel and unusual punishment" would be a more accurate description of the Benefits System now...

[DracoM]

Is the state pension a 'benefit; as legally defined?

[Bryn]

HMG refer to it as the "State Pension". There are additional benefits available to supplement it.

[Serial_Apologist]

Is the state pension a 'benefit; as legally defined?

If you ask anything about that subject, you're almost guaranteed a comprehensive reply from ahinton.

By the way, where is he?

[Bryn]

If you ask anything about that subject, you're almost guaranteed a comprehensive reply from ahinton.

Don't be too sure. The "State Retirement Benefit" he sometimes asserts is what one gets on the UK is, in fact, more something found across The Pond.

[Dave2002]

I think I will have to disagree with you there
"ALL" of them?
I don't think so at all

What is encouraging (see Jaynes Attenborough quote) is that many of the young people I meet have more empathy, global awareness and understanding than those desperately hanging on trying to make sure their pensions are ok.

But BK did not use the word "ALL" in her original post. Some older people are wiser, some are mindless fools, and maybe that includes some people aged 50+ ......