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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
    • 37851

    #31
    Originally posted by johnb View Post

    "Revealing" and "engaging" aren't exactly the words I would have used about the debate.
    I interpreted jayne to mean that as an example of live political presentations at this time, the programme was revealing of the inadequacies of the genre, and that it was the programme that she found engaging, not the participants!

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    • jayne lee wilson
      Banned
      • Jul 2011
      • 10711

      #32
      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      I interpreted jayne to mean that as an example of live political presentations at this time, the programme was revealing of the inadequacies of the genre, and that it was the programme that she found engaging, not the participants!
      Absolutely... but revealing of personality and character too (in a context unlike the usual news soundbites/interviews etc.), hardly irrelevant to high office... no-one would have expected anything new on policy matters...
      BJ looked miserable and repressed, but look at the vote today..... even further ahead for the same depressing reasons as before. The beat-Farage-at-his-own-game-or-join-him candidate.....

      With Johnson leading the government, I do think political divisions are going to sharpen even further soon, making careful tactical voting a vital part of the fight back for liberal values, so hard won and so precious. Very tough choices for the Labour leadership ahead too...

      (And (one more time) EM is very good in chairing those regular Newsnight discussions, not just in one-to-one...I'm baffled why anyone would find her "intensely irritating".... maybe it's still strong assertive women who are a problem for some people...)...

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      • johnb
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        • Mar 2007
        • 2903

        #33
        Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
        .... maybe it's still strong assertive women who are a problem for some people...)...
        ... Oh please, that is a cheap shot and unworthy of you.

        We all have different views about a myriad of topics.

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        • teamsaint
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 25231

          #34
          I’d say there are both irritating and non irritating strong assertive women. Like there are men of both those sorts.

          ( personally I don’t find EM irritating at all....well except the wall to wall coverage of her book , not really her fault I suppose, to the detriment of other equally interesting books by and about strong assertive women)
          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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          • jayne lee wilson
            Banned
            • Jul 2011
            • 10711

            #35
            Originally posted by johnb View Post
            ... Oh please, that is a cheap shot and unworthy of you.

            We all have different views about a myriad of topics.
            "Completely out of her depth" was excessive to say the least....and I still wonder why you found her so "intensely irritating".....

            But who do you (or anyone on this thread) like or admire, as a current affairs presenter/interviewer etc..?
            Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 20-06-19, 00:03.

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            • Jazzrook
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              • Mar 2011
              • 3114

              #36
              I can't believe that we're going to suffer the abominable 'Boris' as PM who's likely to make a pact with the fanatical Farage.

              JR

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              • LMcD
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                • Sep 2017
                • 8687

                #37
                Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                "Completely out of her depth" was excessive to say the least....and I still wonder why you found her so "intensely irritating".....

                But who do you (or anyone on this thread) like or admire, as a current affairs presenter/interviewer etc..?
                Adam Fleming, Kevin Connolly, Jon Sopel and Katya Adler, among others - it's surely no coincidence that they're all based abroad and have embraced a broader, more objective approach to events and our country's often limited influence.
                Last edited by LMcD; 20-06-19, 07:59.

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                • teamsaint
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 25231

                  #38
                  Nick Robinson lost any trust I might have had in him when he did a big piece on income tax a few years ago, which failed utterly to address the core issue, which of course is income inequality.
                  I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                  I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                  • ardcarp
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11102

                    #39
                    Off pists...but should Rory Stewart now jump to the Lib Dems?

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                    • Richard Tarleton

                      #40
                      Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post

                      But who do you (or anyone on this thread) like or admire, as a current affairs presenter/interviewer etc..?
                      ...Laura Kuenssberg, another vote for Katya Adler, Jon Sopel (the BBC "Editors" in other words...), Orla Guerin, Lyse Doucet.... The one the politicians fear most is Andrew Neil.....

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                      • LMcD
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                        • Sep 2017
                        • 8687

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                        ...Laura Kuenssberg, another vote for Katya Adler, Jon Sopel (the BBC "Editors" in other words...), Orla Guerin, Lyse Doucet.... The one the politicians fear most is Andrew Neil.....
                        Happy to add Orla Guerin to my list - oh yes, and Fergal Keane and The Man Who Liberated Baghdad. For me, Laura Kuenssberg sometimes seems to have an inflated sense of her own importance.

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                        • teamsaint
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 25231

                          #42
                          Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                          Off pists...but should Rory Stewart now jump to the Lib Dems?
                          He'd be fine there, they all voted for austerity, increased tuition fees etc etc etc.
                          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                          • burning dog
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 1511

                            #43
                            Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                            He'd be fine there, they all voted for austerity, increased tuition fees etc etc etc.

                            That's what you get with Coalitions. All parliaments will be like that when we get PR

                            I remberber Stewart as a hard core neo-liberal if its the same chap

                            PS Reading about him he seems more "middle of road" in Tory terms

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30509

                              #44
                              Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                              He'd be fine there, they all voted for austerity, increased tuition fees etc etc etc.
                              Or the Labour party - they introduced tuition fees in the first place. But sadly both major parties are now more concerned to unite their parties than to serve the interests of the country. Understandable, really, given what happened to the Lib Dems …
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • Joseph K
                                Banned
                                • Oct 2017
                                • 7765

                                #45
                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                Or the Labour party - they introduced tuition fees in the first place. But sadly both major parties are now more concerned to unite their parties than to serve the interests of the country. Understandable, really, given what happened to the Lib Dems …
                                Eh? Stewart would be fine in Labour despite Labour's anti-austerity position?

                                Labour's stance seems more to be about uniting the country rather than party. Many of its policies (e. g. free uni, nationalised utilities, properly funded NHS) are popular. The Lib Dems still want to offload the debt incurred from bailing out the banks onto many of the most vulnerable in society, and as such are complete swine.

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