THERE MAY YET BE HOPE....

[Richard Barrett]

But they were elected to represent their constituents, not to represent the Labour party. As far as they are concerned, they are representing the interests of their constituents

Yes indeed, that is the kind of elitist sense of entitlement they all have.

[Richard Barrett]

But isn't staying in something you think is flawed and trying to reform it better than breaking from it completely? (Reminds me of something there ... can't quite put my finger on it ... )

No doubt they'll be talking a lot about that in the days to come so you'll get your reminder sure enough!

[teamsaint]

Most of them didn’t have much to lose, and the most prominent Labour member was happy to end FoM not so long ago.

For Labour to be coming out worst on racism against the Tories ( despite Labour’s shortcomings) would be laughable if it wasn't so dispiriting.

[Richard Barrett]

Returning to the money, if I may, their website is apparently registered in Panama - a well-documented tax haven of course - and they are registered as a private company rather than a political party thus exempting them from having to reveal their sources of funding. This is surely somewhat suspicious. And, returning to the question of their double standards regarding by-elections and Brexit referenda, their intransigence on the former is surely going to do great harm to their credibility on the latter, and indeed to that cause in general, so in that sense it's a massive foot-shooting operation.

[french frank]

Yes indeed, that is the kind of elitist sense of entitlement they all have.

I find that a very strange reaction … MPs who are putting loyalty toall their constituents (of whatever party stripe) before their loyalty to their party. How elitist.

[french frank]

But isn't staying in something you think is flawed and trying to reform it better than breaking from it completely? (Reminds me of something there ... can't quite put my finger on it ... )

[eighthobstruction]

... none of whom were elected on the platform (whatever it is) that they now stand for. Honesty (and a commitment to the democracy that supposedly underpins their espousal of a second Brexit referendum) would demand that they resign their seats and stand for reelection.

....I ref you to#28....also they are carrying out policy as made at the last Labour AGM....

[french frank]

Returning to the money, if I may, their website is apparently registered in Panama - a well-documented tax haven of course - and they are registered as a private company rather than a political party thus exempting them from having to reveal their sources of funding. This is surely somewhat suspicious.

Not really, is it? They wouldn't be obliged to report donations or other sources of funding until April (if they were a party). And they have said they will voluntarily do so.

Since they aren't registered as a party, they don't qualify for public funding.

And, returning to the question of their double standards regarding by-elections and Brexit referenda, their intransigence on the former is surely going to do great harm to their credibility on the latter, and indeed to that cause in general, so in that sense it's a massive foot-shooting operation.

There have been a number of MPs who have changed parties over the years. It hasn't been usual for them to immediately stand down and trigger a byelection. They have, as individuals, been elected to serve until the next General Election.

[eighthobstruction]

Returning to the money, if I may, their website is apparently registered in Panama - a well-documented tax haven of course - and they are registered as a private company rather than a political party thus exempting them from having to reveal their sources of funding. This is surely somewhat suspicious. And, returning to the question of their double standards regarding by-elections and Brexit referenda, their intransigence on the former is surely going to do great harm to their credibility on the latter, and indeed to that cause in general, so in that sense it's a massive foot-shooting operation.

....I've read and agreed with many of your posts over the years....and respected your erudition [I don't expect to have these feelings reciprocated]....I've never seen you write such a scruffy unsubstantiated hysterical post, as the one above before....

[Richard Barrett]

There have been a number of MPs who have changed parties over the years. It hasn't been usual for them to immediately stand down and trigger a byelection.

Indeed not, but these people are screaming for a new referendum at the same time, and this attitude, whether it's usual or not, will certainly harm the very cause they left their former parties for. I don't really get your point about their "representing all their constituents" - it could just as easily be said that they are representing only themselves. Perhaps they believe they are representing all their constituents, but there's only way to know that for sure, is there not.

[Serial_Apologist]

....I ref you to#28....also they are carrying out policy as made at the last Labour AGM....

I don't quite see how or in what way(s) eighth... the malificent seven, that is...

[Richard Barrett]

...I've never seen you write such a scruffy unsubstantiated hysterical post, as the one above before....

It's true that I do badly need a haircut at the moment, but as for hysterical I'm actually sitting in bed with a cup of tea in my hand and contemplating heading off to the land of nod. Time will tell whether there's anything behind my suspicions...

[eighthobstruction]

I don't quite see how or in what way(s) eighth... the malificent seven, that is...

....the Labour Annual Conference voted in favour of a 2nd Referendum....I believe a possibility of a 2nd Ref was in the 2017 Manifesto....that is [i believe ] what links the 8 (now)....[pokes tongue out teehee]....

....yep, time will tell RB....sleep well....

[Serial_Apologist]

It's true that I do badly need a haircut at the moment, but as for hysterical I'm actually sitting in bed with a cup of tea in my hand and contemplating heading off to the land of nod. Time will tell whether there's anything behind my suspicions...

One thing's for sure - this is a defining moment for finding out who you'd thought your friends were, on this forum.

[eighthobstruction]

One thing's for sure - this is a defining moment for finding out who you'd thought your friends were, on this forum.

.....all in the best possible taste....