I am about as far removed from Mr Scruton's wing of politics as it's possible to be. And yet, and yet...he had a point. I listened, preparing to bristle (and I did at times) but felt he was worth hearing out.
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I find myself stopping my ears, switching/walking out (for the standard 3 or whatever minutes in a R4 programme) when the usual Brexiteer side come up as I can no longer even tolerate the sound of their spokesperson/point of view, let alone paying attention to them/it. So - I'm completely intolerant on that issue - I can't recall being like that for a long time. (End of ref to B****t)).
On the issue in this morning's programme with R Scruton - virulent scapegoating of those who have failed to pre-edit/sanitise everything they say, Scruton's got a point to be heard and considered. (I'd switched back to R4 and left R3 to its "Sounds" and characterless presenting style).
There was a recent R4 programme about intolerance in academic institutions - no platforming and more of that ilk. There was virulent criticism (on "Feedback", etc) that R4 allowed there to be a broadcast questioning what that meant for freedom of speech and proper debate. And yet, Woman's Hour is 70% remorseless ventilation, advancement and empowerment of the very views of those who feel they have the right to be mortally offended, "No Platform" and hound out offenders from their posts. (I used to leave R4 on at 10am, on occasion, as background speech radio but started switching off a year or more ago. (These days I get to check in there when driving with Mrs CS).
I'm an inveterate liberal/leftie tactical voter. However the rise of the thought and speech police has got me wondering what merit there may be in the Right's questioning of liberal values such as here - where one person's right to be offended begin to overide other equally important rights. -
I agree with you on pretty much all the above. I thought Scruton deserved his 'platform' this morning, so good for R4 to keep a level playing field. [Mixed metaphor there?]Comment
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Of course, "political correctness" as a term of abuse was invented by the Right, that shouldn't be forgotten. More important to remember than that, if I may say so, is that whenever it might seem to be escalating to absurd extremes one should just remember how things were before people started thinking it might be a good idea to think before speaking about whether what they're about to say might offend someone.Comment
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I think you may have missed the point - although perhaps you're not talking about the broadcast, but making a more general point. Roger is not thinking of the good sense in 'thinking before before we speak' so as not to offend. No sensible person would disagree with that straw-man! And I don't think it's right to say that the right invented political correctness, any more than it is to say the left invented Islamophobia, for example (or did they, in your scheme of things?).Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostComment
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Yes I am indeed. I lost interest some time ago in what that odious and bigoted individual has to say.Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostComment
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I don't think you mean bigoted as I'm sure you know that he does not fit that definition. And just because you don't like his ideas doesn't mean it's ok to describe him as odious.Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostComment
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If you say so.Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
Have you read his books on music? I have.
Most enlightening. I am pleased to say that for example, he shed so much light on the music of DSCH for me, a real lightbulb moment. I really understand why I love DSCH's music, and being divested of the mystery, has not lessened my enjoyment of it. It almost goes without saying that Roger and I have completely different music libraries and go to different gigs!Comment
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Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
- Absolutely - following Any Questions as it does, I listened in appalled fascination, then profound boredom, and switched off before the end, muttering, oh for Gods sake shutup....
He is profoundly dated in his opinions, even as he seems to believe in the novelty of his own response.Comment
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Hmm. I suppose the title "The witch-hunt culture" must refer to Scrote's witch-hunt against Stockhausen, Boulez, et al.Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostComment
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What a bigoted response.Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post - Absolutely - following Any Questions as it does, I listened in appalled fascination, then profound boredom, and switched off before the end, muttering, oh for Gods sake shutup....
He is profoundly dated in his opinions, even as he seems to believe in the novelty of his own response.Comment
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That's putting it politely imvOriginally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
Full of Sh** would be equally accurate
Sadly, I think he is only broadcast because he is "good value" and will say vaguely controversial nonsense in a pseudo-intellectual way
As for his daft views about music ? just nonsense and not worth bothering with IMV (and more importantly in the view of people who really DO know about these things)Comment
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He has very well-reasoned views about music, just like many people in here do. And calling him full of Sh** says more about you than it does about him.Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostThat's putting it politely imv
Full of Sh** would be equally accurate
Sadly, I think he is only broadcast because he is "good value" and will say vaguely controversial nonsense in a pseudo-intellectual way
As for his daft views about music ? just nonsense and not worth bothering with IMV (and more importantly in the view of people who really DO know about these things)Comment
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