A Point of View...Roger Scruton

[Beef Oven!]

More like an indigestible trifle, I would think.

Probably the only way to settle this argument is to go back to the broadcast in question, and take Scruton's points apart, one-by-one. We'd need a transcript, but that seems to be what's being asked for.

"Take Scruton's points apart one-by-one" - That's prejudice.

[Tony Halstead]

Is that a fact, or an opinion?

[Tony Halstead]

"Take Scruton's points apart one-by-one" - That's prejudice.

[Tony Halstead]

Pay attention. I was I, not MrGG, who first used the soubriquet "Scrote" in this thread.

[Tony Halstead]

Bullsh*t
I didn't think you did "facts" anyway

[Serial_Apologist]

Actually, thinking about this business of upsetting people constituting or not constituting "political correctness", that which is sauce for the goose seems to have become sauce for the gander in many cases now, howevermuch unintended is the proclaimed slur, and irrespective of the political positioning or posturing of those upset for being insulted or advocating in defense of others. The "if you're jumping in support of [name of cause] you must have a political agenda" evidently cuts both, or any number, of ways. A long lasting friendship of my own has recently come to a devastating conclusion after I wrote to her, reporting on a cousin who is suffering from a life-threatening condition, but who, in line with his and his wife's Christian beliefs, has decided to do nothing about it beyond leaving my cousin's fate "in the hands of God". I had not taken into account that my long-term friend would take my implicitly critical remarks regarding my cousin as insulting to her own beliefs, not even realising that she had them!

[Beef Oven!]

Bullsh*t
I didn't think you did "facts" anyway

What I say is factual. You seem to only offer subjective emotions and rude sarcastic ‘small man syndrome’ one-liners.

[Serial_Apologist]

It's only when you've seen how I've taken them apart.

[jayne lee wilson]

Such a colourful, richly-storied individual...

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2002/jan/24/advertising.tobaccoadvertising

[MrGongGong]

What I say is factual. You seem to only offer subjective emotions and rude sarcastic ‘small man syndrome’ one-liners.

Would you like to read my thoughts about the offside rule ?

[french frank]

"Take Scruton's points apart one-by-one" - That's prejudice.

Not quite sure what that is intended to imply. Is it 'takes apart' rather than 'forensically deconstructs'?

I felt, from reading the quote from Scruton which Bryn supplied that that hardly ranked as criticism at all. The choice of the word 'charlatans' seems, on its own, to indicate a fixed idea of what 'music' is, very limited; based on the idea that what he finds 'appealing' is, for everyone 'appealing'; and that what is 'not appealing' to him is 'not appealing'. Full stop.

[Beef Oven!]

Such a colourful, richly-storied individual...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ccoadvertising

That article french frank gave a link to a few days ago picks up on what you're doing Jayne. Something about attacking the source of the argument when we don't want to accept the veracity of what's being said.

[Beef Oven!]

Would you like to read my thoughts about the offside rule ?

Yes please. I also have a view about the offside rule and believe that in the interest of the game, the rule needs adjusting - but let me have your thoughts first.

[MrGongGong]

Yes please. I also have a view about the offside rule and believe that in the interest of the game, the rule needs adjusting - but let me have your thoughts first.

I know as much about that as Scrote knows about John Cage

[french frank]

That article french frank gave a link to a few days ago picks up on what you're doing Jayne. Something about attacking the source of the argument when we don't want to accept the veracity of what's being said.

The Scruton/tobacco piece was very old (2002?) but it does seem to be a very odd pursuit for an 'academic, intellectual, philosopher'. He doesn't come over to me as someone who is normally objective and balanced in his views. He's certainly opinionated and I see no reason why he should not express those opinions wherever and whenever he wishes. Whether those opinions are any more valid than, say, mine, just because he's an academic, intellectual and philosopher, I'm not sure. It's just that I don't expect to be paid for spouting my opinions (oh, and don't get paid either).