Originally posted by Beef Oven!
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A Point of View...Roger Scruton
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It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostYes, but you said it was 'regarded as theologically indivisible'. But when Mohammed preached and converted people to Islam, he didn't think of it as being a separate religion from Christianity and Judaism. There was one God, creator of the world, and Mohammed merely taught that Muslims should live a 'godly' life which was nothing to do with theology or doctrine. Zannah was something that no one could be certain of: social justice and compassion were at the centre of Islam. So when one talks about Islamophobia, what exactly are people attacking?
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostNo, it’s not that. There are plenty of individuals who espouse intolerant, odious ideas on LGBT, same sex marriage, gender roles etc from an Islamic theological/doctrinal perspective and he doesn’t go after them. It must be something else.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostIndeed, but these odious bigots haven't had a BBC R4 broadcast (thank ... who/whatever, even if s/he/it doesn't exist) recently. Scruton has; that is why his ideas have resulted in this Thread and these exchanges.
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostI don't know if I actually understand what 'Islamophobia' is.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostRemind me of the transmission date of Trump's Radio 4 broadcast - the one that sent MrGG into orbit about Trump's alleged misogyny. MrGG public burned his bra .........[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by french frank View PostI don't think it means much more than 'fear' and 'hatred' of Muslims. When the chap said he voted in the referendum 'to keep the Muslims out of the country', that's Islamophobia. And it goes with an undifferentiated view of Muslims. In justice, you have to be clear what it is you're attacking.
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostIf that's all it is, why does it need a pseudo-clinical name?It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostThere are divisions in absolutely everything. And Islam is regarded as theologically indivisible, at least by Muslims. The only divisions in Islam concern Jurispudence and not theology. Unlike Christianity where there are fundamental divisions of theology.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostThe strength of feeling makes it important. What it's called hardly matters. Phobia, as meaning 'fear'. is a cliché e.g arachnophobia, anatidaephobia . Incidentally, there's a very interesting chapter on 'Fundamentalism' and how it distorts and reinterprets the teachings of religions, Islam being only one of many religions which has been influenced by the 'onslaught' of modern culture and secularism which is seen as seeking to destroy the perceived 'immutables' of a religion.
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Originally posted by gradus View PostI had understood that Muslims mostly divide into Sunni and Shia sects with theological differences that are deep and long-lasting. In addition there are a number of other Islamic faith groups whose views make them the enemy of Sunnis or Shias or both. Division marks the faith.
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