Really good programme that joecorrigan highlighted elsewhere....very assured Yuval Noah Harari gives ideas on where we might be going -in terms of human interaction with computers....Harari adds just that bit more to this contemporary homo sapien conversation....
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Really good programme that joecorrigan highlighted elsewhere....very assured Yuval Noah Harari gives ideas on where we might be going -in terms of human interaction with computers....Harari adds just that bit more to this contemporary homo sapien conversation....Last edited by eighthobstruction; 01-10-18, 11:09.bong ching -
I greatly enjoyed the book - essential to have read his other two first, as this builds on ideas first aired there.Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post -
Heard the programme. Harari sees himself as a prophet, and his ideas are well thought out and clearly presented. I felt myself hoping that Homo Sapiens might take a different turn...but I fear his vision of the [near?] future may be correct.Comment
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....there are bound to be people in opposition to these extreme ideas of passive consumers led by algarithms....but what will they be seen as - terrorists?? Terrorists against the algarithm rich....Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
....we see already that old neural pathways close and new open up through use of different media - maps/gps - letterwriting/texting - memory/information on a tablet - spelling/emoticon - telephone numbers/watsapp....the general trend of society and those in control is difficult for the individual to change....Last edited by eighthobstruction; 01-10-18, 11:52.bong chingComment
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This is a great thread for a discussion urgently in need in society as a whole. I'm very worried and have felt for some time humanity has become vastly over-dependent on computer technology, steered by market mechanisms that have now been rendered virtually automonous - pun intended. It's now almost ruling our lives, and having terrible effects on today's young.Comment
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I found it very interesting when Harari said that if someone goes on a dating site and gets a better match than he or she gets on their own they become even more likely to trust the algorithms than themselves. His encouragement that we find the self within, through whatever method available (He does meditation), was very persuasive, perhaps even more for our younger generations.Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostComment
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Yes, I am fed up, when trying to trace old friends, that their only online presence seems to be on Facebook or Linkedin, and I would have to register with one or the other to proceed to contact information. They thus remain uncontacted.Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostComment
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....I found that a little too passive -[my imagining] people in regimented pods/cells all searching for themselves....in a society that doesn't really need them as worker or participant....hooked into food feeding pipes ? that can be cut off ?....6-7 billion people on this planet [very many of them poor/uneducated - fodder]....I have a very cynical/pessimistic view of what will happen....when the algarithm controling rich decide what they might want to do with the world....A New World Order of Sustainability....Originally posted by johncorrigan View Postbong chingComment
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....the mere idea of me talking to my MP to find out his views on AI....Julian Smith MP .....new member of the Establishment circa 2010....Government Wet....Only votes with the government [never waivers]....in a Conservative safe seat....Hmmmm I wonder....is he run by an algarithm already???....would his future ancestors vote with the government to turn off my food feeding tube????....you bet ya....
....Would Lord Halls ancestors put it in the news???
....How will Chinese AI develop....Last edited by eighthobstruction; 01-10-18, 13:00.bong chingComment
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...as YNH says in the book, the revolutions in biotech and infotech are made by engineers, entrepreneurs and scientists who are hardly aware of the political implications of their decisions......if we concentrate too much on developing AI and not enough on [understanding and developing] human consciousness, AI will end up empowering the stupidity of humans....Originally posted by eighthobstruction View PostComment
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....yep absolutelyOriginally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
....there are always people who will exploit other people....how far might we be from an Elon Tusk type going genius savant rogue....[in a jungle somewhere not near you]....Last edited by eighthobstruction; 01-10-18, 14:16.bong chingComment
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Gives a very different spin on Timothy Leary's "Drop out, tune in, turn on", doesn't it? - because if run by algorhythms he will have done the second and third but not the first!Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
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We already know enough about human consciusness, don't we? It's hardwired to enable the developing human organism to survive (and secondarily reproduce), preconditions in other words endowed with the potential to negotiate the means that have been historically evolved by societies of a certain nature encrypted in languages, concepts, traditions and protocols that exclude, if one fits useful categories for exclusionary scapegoating when questioning things which go wrong that are intrinsic to inbuilt systemic malfunction is judged subversive. It's easy to claim such people mad or dangerous. But it's difficult to get the playing out of consequential psychological and associated sociological symptomatisations without recourse to various metanarrativised approaches capable, in combination, of teasing out where the interconnections are for carefully thought through actions to change the political power balances and status quos that reproduce them.Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
One nodal point germane to this discussion is using the power of concentrated attention, already being exploited by makers of computer games, in reformatting mindfulness away from the physical environment, including human face-to-face relations vital to (inter)personal development, maturation and the space vital for critical assessing sensory input to eclipse all associated thoughtfulness by wider sensory attenuation, thus helping create the robotic (or robotised) compliance vital to accepting whatever is thrown at the thus deracinated individual as inevitable and in all probability beneficial, without question.Comment
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....for fun....I just put your entire paragraph into google and this is what it came up with....https://evolution-institute.org/we-are-not-hard-wired/
....and I looked up : deracinatedbong chingComment
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