When cannabis smoking becomes legal, should it be permitted in......

[vinteuil]

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Lat-Lit - it cannot have been Devizes.

Might you be thinking of Chippenham or Westbury?

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[Lat-Literal]

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Lat-Lit - it cannot have been Devizes.

Might you be thinking of Chippenham or Westbury?

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Errrm:

I know Chippenham station for getting the bus to WOMAD, Malmesbury which I have done on more than one occasion. Westbury I know as a name - it featured early on along with Castle Cary as a place in that general area but it was only on about the third visit to Glastonbury that I think I realised it was best to go to Castle Cary directly and then get the festival bus. Perhaps they had by then made it easier. I then had a period of going with people in their cars with breakfast in Wincanton. The final two - that was train to Castle Cary again.

I have also chatted with the naked gardeners in Malmesbury before the main WOMAD events when they were naked and I wasn't naked but from memory we didn't discuss cannabis.

That wasn't on site - it was in their garden.

One of the best ten songs of all time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Ztq4icMGU

(fabulous film too)

[Richard Tarleton]

Are you suggesting that the existing laws on smoking would automatically apply to cannabis?

Obviously, if they involve smoking. If there is some other way of ingesting cannabis without affecting third parties, that's a different discussion.

[Lat-Literal]

Obviously, if they involve smoking. If there is some other way of ingesting cannabis without affecting third parties, that's a different discussion.

Well, yes, the vape shops have long been a front for the anticipated changes internationally. A gateway on every high street. I was saying that at a time when I thought I was being just a tad ridiculous, then a couple of years later I read that it was precisely becoming this way in California. I've been right on vibes of this nature more times than I can recall - because I sense things. But then, notwithstanding the unsteady application of current vape laws in and to environmental contexts, Government will have to determine whether it is to be hyped cannabis vape and/or cannabis smoke. If it smoke, I suggest humbly that there will unequivocally be bombs so policy formulation depends on how risky governors want to be with our national security. Skunk, of course, will not be legalised and following legal light it will be increasingly what the people so inclined will want under the bridge down by the old drug alley.

[Richard Barrett]

One thing is sure. No matter where the taking of cannabis is allowed or banned, we can rest assured that it's not going to be taken in Devizes station.

I would have thought it entirely reasonable that the same restrictions on being "under the influence" and on smoking would apply in this case. Sorted.

[Lat-Literal]

One thing is sure. No matter where the taking of cannabis is allowed or banned, we can rest assured that it's not going to be taken in Devizes station.

I would have thought it entirely reasonable that the same restrictions on being "under the influence" and on smoking would apply in this case. Sorted.

Ah, but hold on here, Richard, because being "under the influence" is an entirely different matter to any environmental contexts and the law. It is quite simple, this. Authorities can't manipulate people's minds so that within a decade they are obsessed, no doubt rightly, about clean air and then expect them not to turn when dope smokers are protesting against fracking plants. Some will easily fit into the category of one side or the other but humble Joe Public when pushed and paying for his plastic bag is likely to say a plague on them all. Had they not started the manipulation in the first place, then both things would have been relatively uncontroversial. Most don't have memories of the smog. As it is, expect unpredictability.

No one has attempted to answer directly the 40 questions in post one. I do genuinely appreciate the efforts people have put in but it is all to date a bit shadowy and diversionary. If you honestly think that luncheoning ladies of 70 or even 40 are only going to be concerned when people are under the influence from spliffs in their cherished restaurant you are barking up the wrong tree. Those of us with memories recall how conservative Women's Institutes in Newhaven joined forces with the SWP to oppose the export of animals in terrible conditions.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

In response to the thread title, I should ask: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

[Lat-Literal]

In response to the thread title, I should ask: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

It's weird, this. You are a nice person. A good person. We haven't always, on minor issues, gelled. Who does? But how do you feel about the two of us forming a new political party?

[Lat-Literal]

How about nowhere?

Medical cannabis oil is a different matter.

Questions concerning the application of medical cannabis oil - and the wider context of Canada - have set the ball rolling. I am quite clear about this. No child who it can be scientifically proven might - might - benefit from such a treatment should be prevented from having that treatment. However, wherever a parent of that child has a known illegal drug usage history - specifically as it relates to cannabis - that child should be taken into care. The plain truth of the matter is that a child, whoever he is, who is prone to epileptic seizures cannot be adequately assessed medically until, first, any unimpeded health of the mother in pregnancy is fully ascertained. Next, there needs to be a central review of medics who believe in this treatment to identify any commercial profit making links internationally. If any such links are discovered, such children should not remain in the chain of command vis a vis their care.

I accept the science is contradictory. It is pretty clear from academic research that people with a schizophrenic leaning smoke cigarettes heavily to counteract their condition. They also die young for the benefit of not landing in jail via a psychosis that people don't or won't understand. They (perhaps we so far as it pertains on the borderline) are sacrificial lambs in that way. Lives are truncated so that any arousal isn't so acute that society becomes sadistic. But, in the sheer mechanisms involved it already is and changes in the law, no doubt right in the broader scheme of things, have led in many to greater social withdrawal. Few will say so. It is the volte face on cannabis which has the sort of goading quality which might well lead to reactions of more - the most severe - social consequences. Most will tolerate it. Some may not and will see it as a merry dance of the ordinary, if law breaking to date, on their early graves. Any glib politico with a stance is unlikely to begin to comprehend the anger or the potential reactive clout. The jury is out on links between cannabis and schizophrenia although it is mooted - ie the opposite effect : a trigger - and indeed epilepsy. People argue on that point from the perspective of uninvolved, sure, self-interest. Almost all would be heavily critical of a woman who conventionally smoked during pregnancy. It's not good enough. More needs to be ascertained about any links between cannabis use in the mother - or father - and the nature of the child who is born. It isn't out of the question that seizures are a consequence and in the treatment sought there is a cyclical leaning towards the drug in certain families passed through generations. It remains the case that more than 90% of Muslim terrorists, including the beheaders, are less Muslim than plagued by being on illegal drugs.

(Actually I have a feeling that this diatribe might just be one of the most substantial posts I have ever written on this forum - it feel weirdly liberating, so far as that could matter)

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

It's weird, this. You are a nice person. A good person. We haven't always, on minor issues, gelled. Who does? But how do you feel about the two of us forming a new political party?

Don't be fooled by my online persona.

[teamsaint]

Could have been Frome ?

Or Pewsey ?

[Nick Armstrong]

... you must have been on quite a trip

[Lat-Literal]

I might as well come clean on this. At 32, I sought and went on tranquillisers for the first time in 20 years. Just as at 12, periods on them turned out to be very sporadic. I haven't been on them much in the last 13 years. In parallel, I looked at what wasn't going right in my life, traced it all back, and wrote. At that time - and it is the worst possible scenario - I felt that I had discovered a link with a week or so in an NHS hospital at age 7. From the perspective of today, I would say that the conclusion was narrow and that broader things were involved which I did sort of acknowledge then. But I made the key error of sending it all to the NHS for help. The response was utterly dismissive towards me. My parents were interrogated without my knowledge. I kept getting one liners back to the effect that I was entirely normal. They had noted the ability to maintain work over a long period and to have what was actually an extraordinary social life given the situation. Mostly they just wanted me in work and naïve as I was to prevent any sort of action against the NHS not that it was in my mind.

What especially let them off the hook was my ability for verbal reasoning which wasn't directly accepted by them as having emanated as a reaction to trauma. I still believe I would have been quite dim witted, though uncomplicated, without it. There was also a political dimension which doesn't need to be gone into here. It almost certainly shaped notions of whether someone was schizophrenic or not - it was so cleverly disguised in me with huge energy but I had concluded I was in private and described it in detail - and they were just not having it. There have been many twists and turns along the way and it has rarely been easy. The more erudite I have been - and it has often become quite highbrow - on the developments throughout my life - because it never leaves one - the more silent everyone has been. I am simply monitored on occasion for "anxiety" but sometimes they slip as when I was described as "a high achieving". "A high achieving what?" I asked and there was no answer. What it showed to me was that deep down they accepted my version - schizish. So I'm sort of there.

We agreed along the way from my lead that we considered schizophrenia to be a meaningless umbrella term. It was essentially a tool for societal control on what it didn't have the adequacy to manage although I was still left with a void. This is not say that "anxiety" ever did it for me. It was always more than a feeling of being stressed while I could also see that there was an ego involved. I do have especial opinions about how it is viewed and quite a lot pertains to the parents and differences between them and others. ,Everyone knows I could write a book but there is a wariness because I am cautious about becoming grandiose and acutely aware of what is now politically correct. I don't wholly comply with that. Anyhow, I am there or thereabouts. Here or hereabouts - while not being heavily diagnosed as being in any of it. Mainly we have the conditions right. The NHS lets me manage as normal. There is a weakness here which will ensure that I wont reach old age and a book that would cause shudders as my legacy unless sensibly placed should I have the feeling to complete it. Increasingly, it hardly matters. Recent eye problems -physical - have had a fundamental impact on identity. In terms of my left eye, I may if push comes to shove choose to go blind. My most recent advice when they suggested psychological intervention was that I fall apart with it and they should put the resources towards children with cancer. They complied.

They don't get me though.

Anyhows, I'm not of huge intelligence.

I've seen the general public and am always amazed that they alone could make me seem that I am.

And I don't want them on a legal drug that could well induce psychosis.

[Serial_Apologist]

Could have been Frome ?

Or Pewsey ?

Or left to his own Devizes?

[Lat-Literal]

Or left to his own Devizes?

I went to Pewsey station for investigating the Avebury stones.

I may have passed through Frome - certainly Yeovil - on the way from Camp Bestival to Womad.

Which was Chuck Berry at CB so 2008 - my god, where I was ten years ago!!!