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  • Richard Barrett
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    • Jan 2016
    • 6259

    Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
    the right to wear what you want to work (which no-one will dispute)
    Not having looked through this thread, and given the truth of this (with the exception of the police, fire service, surgeons etc. etc.) I've begun wondering how on earth the thread managed to get so long. Not enough to investigate though, although if it's all on the exalted level of fg's "I need a month's notice and a prescription renewal" maybe I'm mistaken.

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    • jean
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7100

      Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
      Not having looked through this thread...I've begun wondering... Not enough to investigate though...
      I don't know why I bother, really.

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      • Richard Barrett
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        • Jan 2016
        • 6259

        Originally posted by jean View Post
        I don't know why I bother, really.
        Surely you don't think I would need much persuading towards your point of view on women's footwear?

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        • Dave2002
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 18013

          Danish views - https://www.carrentals.co.uk/blog/wp...11/11/heel.jpg

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          • Beef Oven!
            Ex-member
            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            Strange. Who would line their car roof with wood?

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            • ahinton
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              • Nov 2010
              • 16122

              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
              Strange. Who would line their car roof with wood?
              !!!

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                Gone fishin'
                • Sep 2011
                • 30163

                Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                Strange. Who would line their car roof with wood?
                Justin Timberlada?
                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                • Pulcinella
                  Host
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 10917

                  Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                  Strange. Who would line their car roof with wood?
                  Or Elena Firskoda?

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                  • teamsaint
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 25204

                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                    Or Elena Firskoda?


                    or Ivor Woodruff.
                    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                    • Serial_Apologist
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37646

                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      Justin Timberlada?
                      The one related to Justin Thyme, the famous herbivore?

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                      • ahinton
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 16122

                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                        Justin Timberlada?
                        Hugh Wood, even if others wouldn't?

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                        • vinteuil
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12805

                          Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                          Hugh Wood, even if others wouldn't?
                          William Boyce

                          [... sorry, a bit 'Third Programme' for the younger listeners ]

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                          • ahinton
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 16122

                            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                            William Boyce

                            [... sorry, a bit 'Third Programme' for the younger listeners ]
                            Never mind; Boyce will be Boyce, regardless of what any of them might think of those shoes which I can just remember were once central to this thread topic...

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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                              Gone fishin'
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 30163

                              Ten months on, and the matter was discussed in Parliament. A transcription of the debate is here:



                              ... and makes clear that the matter wasn't "just" one of a discriminatory dress code:

                              most of Portico’s dress code at the time—to its credit, it has since changed this—was about how women should look. Not only were women to wear high heels, but they were compelled to wear make-up. It was specified that they should wear a minimum of foundation, powder, light blusher—I am not sure whether “light” referred to its colour or its application—mascara, eye shadow and lipstick or tinted lip gloss: not just any old lip gloss, but tinted lip gloss. Make-up was to be regularly reapplied throughout the day, and women were excused from wearing it only if they had a medical condition.

                              Women also had to wear what were described as skin-coloured tights, but the sort of skin-coloured tights that I would wear—taupe, natural tan and so on—are not at all suitable for women of colour. In fact, at one time, a black woman who turned up in black tights was told she should change them for a flesh-coloured pair, which were, of course, not the colour of her flesh at all. Portico even specified the acceptable shades of nail varnish; there was a colour chart.
                              ... nor, of course, are such "workplace codes" confined to a single rogue company. The fact that these requirements are against the Law is of no matter to such employers - awards to employees for successful legal action against their employers' illegal activities fall short of the fees required to bring such action in the first place.
                              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                              • Dave2002
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                                • Dec 2010
                                • 18013

                                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                                Ten months on, and the matter was discussed in Parliament. A transcription of the debate is here:



                                ... and makes clear that the matter wasn't "just" one of a discriminatory dress code:

                                ... nor, of course, are such "workplace codes" confined to a single rogue company. The fact that these requirements are against the Law is of no matter to such employers - awards to employees for successful legal action against their employers' illegal activities fall short of the fees required to bring such action in the first place.
                                I had a quick glance at the Hansard report. Bringing this more out into the open seems to have been helpful.

                                As you point out though, if the action and reports turn out simply to be hot air then little will change. Hopefully there will be a wider recognition of issues and many employers will fall into line, but unfortunately the big rogues may just carry on regardless, with few penalties and little real inconvenience.

                                While I think that women are more likely to have been disadvantaged by the behaviour of some employers, some men may also be affected. Gender neutral issues should be considered as well as gender specific ones.

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