How Britain killed off its musical tribes?

[EnemyoftheStoat]

Point of order: the Missa starts with I-VI-II7b-V . Without the first inversion, the progression I-VI-II-V is like lead boots... I have neither the time nor inclination to research its use in Tin Pan Alley in either form, but I suspect the root position version is much more common.

As for that idiotic ad on Youtube, does anyone else wish somebody would slam the lid on his fingers?

[Dave2002]

Those four chords in that incredibly irritating ad that pops up before every piano thing on YouTube are A maj, Emaj, F#minor and D major or if you prefer I,V,Vl,IV.

Perhaps only for guitarists. A major scale assumed here - and maybe notated as I V vi IV. I haven't actually checked - haven't heard incredibly irritating ad - though I don't disbelieve that there is one.

Drum machines and various electronic pad gadgets for loops etc. also have something to do with the monotony of a lot of pop "music"

[eighthobstruction]

Drum machines and various electronic pad gadgets for loops etc. also have something to do with the monotony of a lot of pop "music"

....Aye but for us 'talentless and ham-fisted in ability' it gives us a chance to join in or feel creative.....be creative...[hence the tambourine I always keep about my person]..... (no umbridge being given/taken on this end)....

[teamsaint]

Well I was going to suggest that a large slice of music listening is now done 'privately' via headphones and AirPods &c. That surely encloses people in their own non-social musical world for much of the time.

I think that is broadly correct.Shared experience has diminished as access has become barrier-free, ( and free of timetabling constraints) and shared experience in public places and organisations has moved away from collective cultural, social and religious moments ,towards philosophy-free “political” and social soundbites. So there is less collective experience either to value or , importantly,to push back against.
All rather post modern , one might say.

[Ian Thumwood]

Perhaps only for guitarists. A major scale assumed here - and maybe notated as I V vi IV. I haven't actually checked - haven't heard incredibly irritating ad - though I don't disbelieve that there is one.

Drum machines and various electronic pad gadgets for loops etc. also have something to do with the monotony of a lot of pop "music"

I think that the problem of the decline in pop
music is due to the fact that tech has democraticised music . You no longer need to be a musician or understand music to make Nd have success with recordings. What was once out of reach for most is now readily viable. However, the quality of music has declined massively as a result.

This has no consequence for most consumers of pop as those elements which make something musical are no longer really valued.

[Serial_Apologist]

I think that the problem of the decline in pop
music is due to the fact that tech has democraticised music . You no longer need to be a musician or understand music to make Nd have success with recordings. What was once out of reach for most is now readily viable. However, the quality of music has declined massively as a result.

This has no consequence for most consumers of pop as those elements which make something musical are no longer really valued.

One wonders how far back in musical evolutionary terms will it be necessary for thinking people to go to "rediscover" the criteria for determining what can really be valued!

[smittims]

Yes, one could write abook about that! I suppose some would say the rot set in when we stopped 'correcting' minor thirds in cadences! I remember John Tavener saying the last truly orginal composer was Hildegard of Bingen.

I'm reminded of an anecdote which may be apocryphal, but says much. In 1897 Mahler who had just been appointed to the Vienna Court Opera, visited Barhms and they went for a walk. Looking over a parapet at a stream, Brahms asked why there always had to be new movements in music. Mahler pointed to the continual succession of ripples in the stream and said 'which one is the last?'