Insofar....

[Serial_Apologist]

8thO lived in Bristol for a while, didn't he?

His place of origin, I think.

[smittims]

We were always taught to begin an essay where the task was 'compare and contrast the following...' with the word 'Whereas... '

I wonder of there is something of the traditional English character here,the wanting to see both sides reasonably : 'Isofar as... up to a point, you know... on the other hand, it might be said... Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me...' and so on.

[kernelbogey]

[SA #21] It might be some Bristolian thing. When lived there there was this fellow who used to say "Insofar as notwithstanding" whenever we were faced with a difficult question. He would then just stop, smile, and walk away.

8thO lived in Bristol for a while, didn't he?

Insofar as 8thO is being straight with us....

[RichardB]

I wonder of there is something of the traditional English character here, the wanting to see both sides reasonably

I would say that's general academic practice the world over, as well as "whereas" being a staple of legal English on both sides of the Atlantic. Surely it derives ultimately from the Socratic principle of finding a conclusion through argumentation, and equivalents in other languages are just as common (for example "alors que...") Less formally, "while" is probably more commonly used for the same purpose (like "während" in German or "terwijl" in Dutch). More generally, though, I wonder where this idea of the "traditional English character" ("English" rather than "British"?) actually derives from, apart from being self-congratulatory in a roundabout way that one might, from an outsider's perspective, more readily associate with Englishness.

[Sir Velo]

A part of English, er British identity, since at least the days of the Office of Circumlocution.

[smittims]

Quite so. I've lived only in England and speak only English so I remember always that I'm unable to make comparisons.

[Petrushka]

In the Book of Common Prayer the 'Solemnization of Matrimony' has forasmuch. As in 'Forasmuch as N. and N. have consented together in holy wedlock...'

[Serial_Apologist]

In the Book of Common Prayer the 'Solemnization of Matrimony' has forasmuch. As in 'Forasmuch as N. and N. have consented together in holy wedlock...'

Forasmuch as you give me a little backhander you can buy my silence inasmuch as notwithstanding the fact that I happen to know you're already married...

[eighthobstruction]

....whatsoever....forsoever....do these 2 exist or are they just used with spaces separating....??

[Nick Armstrong]

....whatsoever....forsoever....do these 2 exist or are they just used with spaces separating....??

‘Whatsoever’ always irritates me (mildly ) - it’s just a pompous way of saying ‘Whatever’…

[vinteuil]

‘Whatsoever’ always irritates me (mildly ) - it’s just a pompous way of saying ‘Whatever’…

... ah, but is it 'art' ? -

https://www.lissongallery.com/exhibitions/lawrence-weiner-be-that-as-it-may/artwork/where-it-seems-as-it-is-wheresoever-howsoever-whatsoever-pending-2012

https://www.lissongallery.com/exhibitions/lawrence-weiner-be-that-as-it-may

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[Joseph K]

‘Whatsoever’ always irritates me (mildly ) - it’s just a pompous way of saying ‘Whatever’…

I'm not sure it's really pompous. I might add 'whatsoever' at the end of a sentence for emphasis - but to add 'whatever' in lieu just wouldn't be idiomatic.

[eighthobstruction]

,,,,I bet people are really dwelling over his works....but it is good I suppose that Seminole artists are getting exhibitions....they are a group of Indians who don't get a lot of press....

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[eighthobstruction]

....it takes all sorts dunnit....https://www.lissongallery.com/news/j...-york-cultured ....I'm glad to hear "Pierson is taking on another new challenge with “Pomegranates,” "

[kernelbogey]

I'm not sure it's really pompous. I might add 'whatsoever' at the end of a sentence for emphasis - but to add 'whatever' in lieu just wouldn't be idiomatic.

Yeah, whatevs.