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  • Pulcinella
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    • Feb 2014
    • 11123

    Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
    I would quite like to hear what Pulcinella would sound like adapted for instruments from the time of the music adapted by Stravinsky!
    That's a nice idea (glad you used italics in your original, too; I don't fancy being adapted, especially if I had to become a castrato!).
    Congratulations from me too.
    Did you do your Harnoncourt Haydn 31 comparison?
    Must dig out my copy and the score and have a listen later; a favourite since college days when a fellow student dragged three of his chums along and made up the 'horn quartet', also used to great appreciation in Mehul's overture La chasse du jeune Henri, which almost became a required item in every subsequent college orchestra concert!

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    • Richard Barrett
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      • Jan 2016
      • 6259

      Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
      I would be interested to know if there is a body of instrumental music from her.
      No there isn't, although some performers like the Sequentia group have interspersed her vocal pieces with instrumental ones based on her materials, and also invented quasi-improvised instrumental accompaniments (ie. drones) to the vocal numbers, which are all written as a single line. Facsimiles of her manuscripts can be downloaded free from IMSLP for those who are interested.

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      • MickyD
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 4835

        Interesting short interview with the late Christopher Hogwood, talking about CPE Bach.

        Ahead of his concert of Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach music, Christopher Hogwood, one of the most reputed representatives of historically correct performances, g...

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        • Beef Oven!
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          • Sep 2013
          • 18147

          Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
          No there isn't, although some performers like the Sequentia group have interspersed her vocal pieces with instrumental ones based on her materials, and also invented quasi-improvised instrumental accompaniments (ie. drones) to the vocal numbers, which are all written as a single line. Facsimiles of her manuscripts can be downloaded free from IMSLP for those who are interested.
          Thanks, I suspected that her work was just for voices. The Sequentia stuff sounds interesting, I'll check it out.

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          • Beef Oven!
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            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            Originally posted by MickyD View Post
            Interesting short interview with the late Christopher Hogwood, talking about CPE Bach.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzbchKlC7Uw
            Very interesting on the Bach offspring, and a wonderful performance of Wq22 that followed

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            • BBMmk2
              Late Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 20908

              J S Bach:

              Concerto in D minor, for two violins, BWV1043;
              Concerto in a minor, for violin BWV1041;
              Concerto in E major, for violin, BWV 1042;
              Concerto in D minor for two violins, BWV1060.

              Andrew Manze, Rachel Podger(violins), Academy of Ancient Music.
              Don’t cry for me
              I go where music was born

              J S Bach 1685-1750

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              • MickyD
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                • Nov 2010
                • 4835

                That's an excellent disc, bbm...and I think the first that the AAM did for Harmonia Mundi after leaving Decca.

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                • Richard Barrett
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                  • Jan 2016
                  • 6259

                  Originally posted by MickyD View Post
                  That's an excellent disc, bbm...and I think the first that the AAM did for Harmonia Mundi after leaving Decca.
                  Interesting... I thought it was horrible and got rid of it soon after buying it! principally on account of the (IMO) crazed over-ornamentation...

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                  • MickyD
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 4835

                    Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                    Interesting... I thought it was horrible and got rid of it soon after buying it! principally on account of the (IMO) crazed over-ornamentation...
                    Well, I seem to remember liking it very much - but now you say that, I must take it down from the shelves and give it another listen!

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                    • doversoul1
                      Ex Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 7132

                      Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                      Generally it doesn't work out very well. Unfortunately this was the case with the Freiburg Baroque Orchestra project, and I don't think it's likely that they or other groups will be incorporating the new pieces into their repertoire (they were released on CD but that doesn't seem to have gained much attention). ...
                      Apologies for going back but today’s Lunchtime Concert maybe interesting from this point (and apologies for double posting)

                      I Fagiolini, directed by Robert Hollingworth, perform Byrd, Tomkins and William Brooks.
                      Robert Hollingworth directs I Fagiolini in music by Byrd, Tomkins and William Brooks.


                      I am quite relieved to hear Richard’s opinion (unless I misread his post). Either a concert or a CD, I find period ensembles performing contemporary works, existing or commissioned, interesting but not quite affective, especially when the two are incorporated.

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                      • Beef Oven!
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                        • Sep 2013
                        • 18147

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                        • BBMmk2
                          Late Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20908

                          Originally posted by MickyD View Post
                          That's an excellent disc, bbm...and I think the first that the AAM did for Harmonia Mundi after leaving Decca.
                          well, I quite enjoyed it. I think the over use of ornamentation, imo, wasn't over excessive(?)
                          Don’t cry for me
                          I go where music was born

                          J S Bach 1685-1750

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                          • Richard Barrett
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                            • Jan 2016
                            • 6259

                            I just found the slow movement of BWV1043 on youtube to check my half-forgotten impressions. I would say it's not principally that there's too much ornamentation (although there's more than necessary IMO) but that it's awkward and inelegant. In say a Vivaldi slow movement both melodic and harmonic structures are sparse enough to accommodate as much (hopefully stylish) ornamentation as one sees fit to add; but Bach is not like that, and here the soloists do more substitution than addition as the movement goes on, with some wince-making results, to my ears anyway.

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                            • Beef Oven!
                              Ex-member
                              • Sep 2013
                              • 18147

                              Bach (CPE) - Sinfonia WQ 182/5 In B Minor
                              Il Giardino Armonico, Giovanni Antonini.



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                              • MickyD
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 4835

                                I know you are a fan of Il Giardino Armonico, Beefy...have you ever heard their Brandenburg Concertos?

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