Why is the "Truth" thread closed?

[ahinton]

That's a bit stiff ;-)

(I'm not sure you meant "innuendo" ? )

Well, that's at least two of us...

[MrGongGong]

Given that Mr Sax STARTED the whole saxophone thing I really think all these johnny-come-lately "Jass" musicians would stick to the original subject and not go wondering off into other areas.

[ahinton]

Given that Mr Sax STARTED the whole saxophone thing I really think all these johnny-come-lately "Jass" musicians would stick to the original subject and not go wondering off into other areas.

As you've just done by mentioning this, d'you mean?(!)...

[MrGongGong]

As you've just done by mentioning this, d'you mean?(!)...

It was an intentionally ridiculous statement

Some people like to appoint themselves as referees
there is a very easy solution to conversations that one doesn't find interesting or worth bothering with and that is to go away and have a conversation somewhere else.

There are plenty of threads that were started by people who are no longer with us and have morphed into completely different things (like the music that one hears on the Saxophone) some of them are tedious, irritating and dull and others are interesting and stimulating. Not everyone likes the same things or wants to have the same kinds of discussions.

[ahinton]

It was an intentionally ridiculous statement

Ah, of course; the road to ridicule is paved with good intentions, n'est-ce pas?!

Some people like to appoint themselves as referees

Indeed - and others do own goals de temps en temps...

there is a very easy solution to conversations that one doesn't find interesting or worth bothering with and that is to go away and have a conversation somewhere else.

There are plenty of threads that were started by people who are no longer with us and have morphed into completely different things (like the music that one hears on the Saxophone) some of them are tedious, irritating and dull and others are interesting and stimulating. Not everyone likes the same things or wants to have the same kinds of discussions.

Quite; if they did, there'd presumably only ever be one thread...

[french frank]

some of them are tedious, irritating and dull

Hmmm ... A number of people here don't seem to realise that they aren't discussing anything. Posting messages isn't necessarily the same thing.

And some people don't accept that referees have the last word. In football they can get the red card for that (two cautions for dissent in one match?) to say nothing of using offensive, insulting or abusive language.

Personally, I think the referees are very lax here.

[Bryn]

Hmmm ... A number of people here don't seem to realise that they aren't discussing anything. Posting messages isn't necessarily the same thing.

And some people don't accept that referees have the last word. In football they can get the red card for that (two cautions for dissent in one match?) to say nothing of using offensive, insulting or abusive language.

Personally, I think the referees are very lax here.

And there was I thinking that the point being made was about a couple of self-appointed 'referees', not administration appointed ones (moderators).

[jean]

And there was I thinking that the point being made was about a couple of self-appointed 'referees', not administration appointed ones (moderators).

I assume you mean that I am one of them?

I have asked that we not discuss this any further. I have no power to stop anyone from doing anything.

[Bryn]

I assume you mean that I am one of them?

I have asked that we not discuss this any further. I have no power to stop anyone from doing anything.

I was referring to message #49 in this thread.

[french frank]

And there was I thinking that the point being made was about a couple of self-appointed 'referees', not administration appointed ones (moderators).

Same appears to apply to both :-( - that was my point.

[Flosshilde]

One of the things that disturbs me about the closure of the 'Truth' thread is that it was closed by the initiator, who decided that the discussion that dceveloped shouldn't be held. Because he is a host he could shut it down (that is, he acted as a - self-appointed? - referee). If I had a similar objection about a discussion on a thread I had started I would not be able to close it, but would have to ask for it to be closed. Perhaps hosts should also not be able to shut down their own threads?

(and Jean, I think that if you start up a topic you can hardly cry 'foul' & demand that people stop discussing it when people pick it up and develop it in ways that you perhaps don't like. As anti-semitism and anti-Zionism/anti-Israel are yoked together by apologists for Israel it is extremely difficult to discuss one without discussing the other).

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

i closed the thread because it was a threat to the forum in entering a topic of discussion irrelevant to the intent of the thread and likely to attract unwelcome external interest

i assumed that if i simply posted a comment saying something to that effect it would have no impact at all; but closing the thread would both end the discussion and have a rhetorical force .... the course this thread has taken confirms my view that whatever i posted would be disregarded ... and the option of starting another thread was always open to any member ... so no more cries of foul about the closure please .... i did make it clear that i wanted no part in attracting any attention to this forum from the people who closely monitor and intervene in such discussions and i would earnestly recommend this attitude to all members


iirc i may only edit my own posts on this forum not the threads of others; ff is the sole moderator of the Politics & Current Affairs Forum.

[MrGongGong]

i closed the thread because it was a threat to the forum in entering a topic of discussion irrelevant to the intent of the thread and likely to attract unwelcome external interest
.

I hear that the descendants of Adolphe Sax are asking for the Montreux Jazz Festival to be closed as it it is "entering a topic" that was "irrelevant to the intent" of the instrument when it was invented.

[french frank]

Some while ago a member was (eventually) banned because of his fondness for discussing Nazi, racist (Blacks and Jews), anti-gay topics. In principle, I would like no subject to be 'banned' (on the BBC boards I was upset because people huffed and puffed their horror and indignation - there and elsewhere - at someone suggesting that the holocaust had been exaggerated: upset becasuse I had done a considerable amount of research to demonstrate that the accepted figures were correct but was then unable to post it when the discussion was closed).

As I have said before, the subjects wouldn't be banned if there was any likelihood that members would discuss them informatively and - dare I say - dispassionately. But you, MrGongGong, BeefOven! (and a couple of others) are principally responsible for controversial subjects being moved down here. You end up attacking each other. As we saw when there was a discussion a couple of days ago on the main forum, there was an outbreak of unacceptable posting which caused a number of complaints of other members. The main problem is the interaction between members. I, for one, don't trust you to discuss anything on which you disagree, sensibly and intelligently.

[And if you think you are being unjustifiably targeted, PLEASE don't bother to protest because you probably aren't.]

I really wish some of you would set up your own forum and go over there: this isn't a free platform for people to be deeply unpleasant to each other.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

three cheers ff!