Originally posted by Norfolk Born
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So what's wrong with Radio 3 Breakfast?
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Originally posted by cloughie View PostAs we have complained about repeats of Bolero and Moldau maybe we should be careful about what we wish for, mind I have never heard the Fuchs but I am of the view that Glass is alright for looking through.
(I think they simply ran out of Strauss which is how we got Vivaldi FM for the next year or two.)
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Originally posted by Osborn View PostHeh, gurnemanz - how was Kaufmann/CBSO/Nelsons last week?
(excuse the brief intrusion into your moans ladies & gentlemen)
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Originally posted by hmvman View PostIf I'm at home in the mornings, I've recently taken to listening to WDR3 (streamed at 256 kbps via iTunes).
I found myself twenty years ago where you good folk are now, following the vandalism inflicted on our network by the wretched WRETCHED Kenyon. From 1992 to 1996 I "did without", grieving for the loss of those wonderful voices (Ruthven, Scotland, Barker etc) and the loss of that day-time diet of BBC Recordings and concerts, churned out of Maida Vale and the Concert Hall and the Regions, which gave both young and established artists the chance to air their expertise, contrasting with the (at times sterile) offerings on CD.
But then along came Astra Digital Radio and at least I had a source of music again. In my case the advantage of having only the most limited understanding of German is that I rarely have any idea as to whether I'm being patronised or not. But somehow I doubt it.
Whether by satellite or internet, give them a try
NDR Kultur
WDR 3
Bayern Klassik
SWR 2
MDR Kultur (although that's virtually stopped playing classical music)
SR Kultur (SR 2)
HR 2 (Hesse Radio)
Kulturradio
And as has been mentioned already, once one has "gone" one really "goes" for ever. I listen to Radio 3 once a week - for Choral Evensong ((a) because I enjoy it and (b) because Radio 3 can't really dumb it down) - and THAT IS ALL. If I do leave it on after 4.30 pm I'm away by 4.35 thanks to the ghastly Mr Rafferty.
It's all very sad and I have the greatest sympathy for you all, but sadly I don't think the current R3 set-up cares a jot for what we all think so my advice is to go elsewhere, as I did 16 years ago.Last edited by mw963; 12-03-12, 09:17.
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Norfolk Born
Originally posted by mw963 View PostIn my case the advantage of having only the most limited understanding of German is that I rarely have any idea as to whether I'm being patronised or not.
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I enjoyed your post, mw963, and was interested to read this:
Originally posted by mw963 View PostI found myself twenty years ago where you good folk are now, following the vandalism inflicted on our network by the wretched WRETCHED Kenyon. From 1992 to 1996 I "did without", grieving for the loss of those wonderful voices (Ruthven, Scotland, Barker etc) and the loss of that day-time diet of BBC Recordings and concerts, churned out of Maida Vale and the Concert Hall and the Regions, which gave both young and established artists the chance to air their expertise, contrasting with the (at times sterile) offerings on CD.
Alas I've not the patience, technical know-how and kit to use Astra but I've made a note of those stations to explore on the net in the near future.
Now here's a thought - what about a thread for the names of such stations to be shared...?
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Originally posted by kernelbogey View PostNow here's a thought - what about a thread for the names of such stations to be shared...?
Or is it a plot to get rid of the 'moaners', thus allowing R3 to slash its budget by turning into a 100% easy listening station?It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Norfolk Born View PostThis raises the interesting question (well, it interests me! ) of whether a listener to Radio 3 who had only the most limited understanding of English would have any idea of whether he or she was being patronised or not. Said listener would surely be struck by the fragmented character of the musical items on offer and the constant chat about apparently unrelated issues.
Probably the tone of the voice as much as anything. Someone mentioned the "Blue Peter" style of Radio 3, and on the one occasion recently when I heard a mid morning "brain teaser" that was EXACTLY what it sounded like.
"Did you get it?".
And that's the tone one rarely hears on German radio, apart from the odd time when even Bayern Klassik encourages calls from listeners. But those occasions are rare and avoidable.
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I enjoy the eloquent informed and often witty criticisms of current Radio 3 morning programme policy on this site. Can I urge all the correspondents who find the output and attitude of programme producers and editors as annoying as me to remember to save a couple of lines to email the programmes and complain (or praise, when it is due). The producers of BBC breakfast and Inessential Classics seem content to bask in hubris, buoyed up by constant sycophantic tweets (if the presenters are to be believed), so always complain, but complain constructively and keep complaining. If we are a majority we don't have to be silent.
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Originally posted by kernelbogey View PostI enjoyed your post, mw963, and was interested to read this:
I also abandoned the station at that time, but had repressed the dates as part of the awfulness of the loss of those voices and the station style - so good to be reminded of them. (I seem to remember it as the time that Petroc Trelawny arrived - nuff said .)
Alas I've not the patience, technical know-how and kit to use Astra but I've made a note of those stations to explore on the net in the near future.
Now here's a thought - what about a thread for the names of such stations to be shared...?
I must say we worried about John Drummond when he arrived but he was a staunch ally in comparison to Kenyon. And didn't they knight Kenyon in the end? No doubt Wright is awaiting his gong.
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Originally posted by kernelbogey View PostI enjoyed your post, mw963, and was interested to read this:
Alas I've not the patience, technical know-how and kit to use Astra but I've made a note of those stations to explore on the net in the near future.
Very few bleeding chunks either.
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Originally posted by mw963 View Postbut sadly I don't think the current R3 set-up cares a jot for what we all think so my advice is to go elsewhere, as I did 16 years ago.
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Originally posted by Norfolk Born View PostThis raises the interesting question (well, it interests me! ) of whether a listener to Radio 3 who had only the most limited understanding of English would have any idea of whether he or she was being patronised or not. Said listener would surely be struck by the fragmented character of the musical items on offer and the constant chat about apparently unrelated issues.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostMr Bowbrick is clearly sympathetic since he has started compiling such a list on his Twitter page.
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VodkaDilc
Originally posted by mw963 View PostAnd not just WDR3 of course - the whole stable of German Classical Music Radio is up on Astra 1 (19 deg E) and doubtless on the internet too.
I found myself twenty years ago where you good folk are now, following the vandalism inflicted on our network by the wretched WRETCHED Kenyon. From 1992 to 1996 I "did without", grieving for the loss of those wonderful voices (Ruthven, Scotland, Barker etc) and the loss of that day-time diet of BBC Recordings and concerts, churned out of Maida Vale and the Concert Hall and the Regions, which gave both young and established artists the chance to air their expertise, contrasting with the (at times sterile) offerings on CD.
But then along came Astra Digital Radio and at least I had a source of music again. .
I would value more information about Astra satellite radio. What does a potential listener need in order to receive it? An Astra satellite dish, presumably ... plus an additional box connected up to the hi-fi system? (I'd prefer to avoid the internet route.) Is a specialist installer needed? Or does the average satellite dealer know what's involved? I'm sure I can't be the only person who is grateful for mw's information and is keen to learn more.
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