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  • mercia
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 8920

    Originally posted by Norfolk Born View Post
    On the bright side, I was spared the other movements
    bleeding chunks have their advantages then

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    • Aubade

      Originally posted by cloughie View Post
      As we have complained about repeats of Bolero and Moldau maybe we should be careful about what we wish for, mind I have never heard the Fuchs but I am of the view that Glass is alright for looking through.
      …albeit darkly! When the going gets very bland, I comfort myself with the fact that we no longer visit Vienna every morning without fail as we did when all this nonsense started under RC. Sometimes we got a gallop of a polka but the rest of the time. . . I came to realise that the words "Ground Hog Day" are themselves in threetime: GROUND-hog-day, GROUND-hog-day, GROUND-hog-day.

      (I think they simply ran out of Strauss which is how we got Vivaldi FM for the next year or two.)

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      • gurnemanz
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 7380

        Originally posted by Osborn View Post
        Heh, gurnemanz - how was Kaufmann/CBSO/Nelsons last week?
        (excuse the brief intrusion into your moans ladies & gentlemen)
        Thanks for taking an interest. It was the first time we had heard a classical concert in the Symphony Hall and it was a great evening. The hall is marvellous and the CBSO played superbly under Nelsons. I'm sure Paris and Vienna, where they are doing the same works, will be suitably impressed. It was a nicely shaped concert with sea on each edge, starting with Britten's Sea Interludes and concluding with a virtuoso La Mer. The "dry land" in between consisted of Jonas Kaufmann in two late romantic song groups which could hardly have been more contrasting - the almost unbearable grief of "Kindertotenlieder" and the ecstatic rapture of R. Strauss. Both were brilliantly sung. Perhaps the Strauss songs were more powerfully communicated with Kaufmann really in his element and wowing the gallery.

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        • mw963
          Full Member
          • Feb 2012
          • 538

          Originally posted by hmvman View Post
          If I'm at home in the mornings, I've recently taken to listening to WDR3 (streamed at 256 kbps via iTunes).
          And not just WDR3 of course - the whole stable of German Classical Music Radio is up on Astra 1 (19 deg E) and doubtless on the internet too.

          I found myself twenty years ago where you good folk are now, following the vandalism inflicted on our network by the wretched WRETCHED Kenyon. From 1992 to 1996 I "did without", grieving for the loss of those wonderful voices (Ruthven, Scotland, Barker etc) and the loss of that day-time diet of BBC Recordings and concerts, churned out of Maida Vale and the Concert Hall and the Regions, which gave both young and established artists the chance to air their expertise, contrasting with the (at times sterile) offerings on CD.

          But then along came Astra Digital Radio and at least I had a source of music again. In my case the advantage of having only the most limited understanding of German is that I rarely have any idea as to whether I'm being patronised or not. But somehow I doubt it.

          Whether by satellite or internet, give them a try

          NDR Kultur
          WDR 3
          Bayern Klassik
          SWR 2
          MDR Kultur (although that's virtually stopped playing classical music)
          SR Kultur (SR 2)
          HR 2 (Hesse Radio)
          Kulturradio

          And as has been mentioned already, once one has "gone" one really "goes" for ever. I listen to Radio 3 once a week - for Choral Evensong ((a) because I enjoy it and (b) because Radio 3 can't really dumb it down) - and THAT IS ALL. If I do leave it on after 4.30 pm I'm away by 4.35 thanks to the ghastly Mr Rafferty.

          It's all very sad and I have the greatest sympathy for you all, but sadly I don't think the current R3 set-up cares a jot for what we all think so my advice is to go elsewhere, as I did 16 years ago.
          Last edited by mw963; 12-03-12, 09:17.

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          • Norfolk Born

            Originally posted by mw963 View Post
            In my case the advantage of having only the most limited understanding of German is that I rarely have any idea as to whether I'm being patronised or not.
            This raises the interesting question (well, it interests me! ) of whether a listener to Radio 3 who had only the most limited understanding of English would have any idea of whether he or she was being patronised or not. Said listener would surely be struck by the fragmented character of the musical items on offer and the constant chat about apparently unrelated issues.

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            • kernelbogey
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 5736

              I enjoyed your post, mw963, and was interested to read this:

              Originally posted by mw963 View Post
              I found myself twenty years ago where you good folk are now, following the vandalism inflicted on our network by the wretched WRETCHED Kenyon. From 1992 to 1996 I "did without", grieving for the loss of those wonderful voices (Ruthven, Scotland, Barker etc) and the loss of that day-time diet of BBC Recordings and concerts, churned out of Maida Vale and the Concert Hall and the Regions, which gave both young and established artists the chance to air their expertise, contrasting with the (at times sterile) offerings on CD.
              I also abandoned the station at that time, but had repressed the dates as part of the awfulness of the loss of those voices and the station style - so good to be reminded of them. (I seem to remember it as the time that Petroc Trelawny arrived - nuff said .)

              Alas I've not the patience, technical know-how and kit to use Astra but I've made a note of those stations to explore on the net in the near future.

              Now here's a thought - what about a thread for the names of such stations to be shared...?

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30249

                Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                Now here's a thought - what about a thread for the names of such stations to be shared...?
                Mr Bowbrick is clearly sympathetic since he has started compiling such a list on his Twitter page.

                Or is it a plot to get rid of the 'moaners', thus allowing R3 to slash its budget by turning into a 100% easy listening station?
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • mw963
                  Full Member
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 538

                  Originally posted by Norfolk Born View Post
                  This raises the interesting question (well, it interests me! ) of whether a listener to Radio 3 who had only the most limited understanding of English would have any idea of whether he or she was being patronised or not. Said listener would surely be struck by the fragmented character of the musical items on offer and the constant chat about apparently unrelated issues.

                  Probably the tone of the voice as much as anything. Someone mentioned the "Blue Peter" style of Radio 3, and on the one occasion recently when I heard a mid morning "brain teaser" that was EXACTLY what it sounded like.

                  "Did you get it?".

                  And that's the tone one rarely hears on German radio, apart from the odd time when even Bayern Klassik encourages calls from listeners. But those occasions are rare and avoidable.

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                  • Domeyhead

                    I enjoy the eloquent informed and often witty criticisms of current Radio 3 morning programme policy on this site. Can I urge all the correspondents who find the output and attitude of programme producers and editors as annoying as me to remember to save a couple of lines to email the programmes and complain (or praise, when it is due). The producers of BBC breakfast and Inessential Classics seem content to bask in hubris, buoyed up by constant sycophantic tweets (if the presenters are to be believed), so always complain, but complain constructively and keep complaining. If we are a majority we don't have to be silent.

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                    • mw963
                      Full Member
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 538

                      Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                      I enjoyed your post, mw963, and was interested to read this:



                      I also abandoned the station at that time, but had repressed the dates as part of the awfulness of the loss of those voices and the station style - so good to be reminded of them. (I seem to remember it as the time that Petroc Trelawny arrived - nuff said .)


                      Alas I've not the patience, technical know-how and kit to use Astra but I've made a note of those stations to explore on the net in the near future.

                      Now here's a thought - what about a thread for the names of such stations to be shared...?
                      I'd gone by the time Mr Trelawny arrived; it only took a couple of editions in 1992 of "On Air" and "In Tune" (long before Mr Rafferty too) to send me packing. And the way in which those three announcers I mentioned were ejected told one all one needed to know about the new set up.

                      I must say we worried about John Drummond when he arrived but he was a staunch ally in comparison to Kenyon. And didn't they knight Kenyon in the end? No doubt Wright is awaiting his gong.

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                      • mw963
                        Full Member
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 538

                        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                        I enjoyed your post, mw963, and was interested to read this:





                        Alas I've not the patience, technical know-how and kit to use Astra but I've made a note of those stations to explore on the net in the near future.
                        I've had a quick tune round them just now and they're pretty much all doing something musical, and there's a good variety from Baroque through Chopin to Brahms and a bit of opera (a few minutes ago). And something rather German and oom-pah.

                        Very few bleeding chunks either.

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                        • mw963
                          Full Member
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 538

                          Originally posted by mw963 View Post
                          but sadly I don't think the current R3 set-up cares a jot for what we all think so my advice is to go elsewhere, as I did 16 years ago.
                          I ought to add that my comment there should in no way be taken as diminishing the "fantastic" (sic) efforts made by French Frank and others to try and get the situation improved. Without your efforts the situation would no doubt be even worse, and your calm but relentless campaign no doubt at least pricks at Wright's conscience.

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                          • cloughie
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 22115

                            Originally posted by Norfolk Born View Post
                            This raises the interesting question (well, it interests me! ) of whether a listener to Radio 3 who had only the most limited understanding of English would have any idea of whether he or she was being patronised or not. Said listener would surely be struck by the fragmented character of the musical items on offer and the constant chat about apparently unrelated issues.
                            Or indeed wondered if they had tuned into a music stastion at all!

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                            • kernelbogey
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 5736

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              Mr Bowbrick is clearly sympathetic since he has started compiling such a list on his Twitter page.
                              Thanks for the link, FF, though not quite sure how to navigate it: I presume I have to sign in to Twitter. Though not quite a Twitter virgin , I am somewhat inexperienced . Who is Mr Bowbrick?

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                              • VodkaDilc

                                Originally posted by mw963 View Post
                                And not just WDR3 of course - the whole stable of German Classical Music Radio is up on Astra 1 (19 deg E) and doubtless on the internet too.

                                I found myself twenty years ago where you good folk are now, following the vandalism inflicted on our network by the wretched WRETCHED Kenyon. From 1992 to 1996 I "did without", grieving for the loss of those wonderful voices (Ruthven, Scotland, Barker etc) and the loss of that day-time diet of BBC Recordings and concerts, churned out of Maida Vale and the Concert Hall and the Regions, which gave both young and established artists the chance to air their expertise, contrasting with the (at times sterile) offerings on CD.

                                But then along came Astra Digital Radio and at least I had a source of music again. .
                                This is a very interesting post. I have gradually reached the same position as mw963. I listen to Choral Evensong and the BaL section on Saturday mornings; most of the rest of R3's output simply irritates me.

                                I would value more information about Astra satellite radio. What does a potential listener need in order to receive it? An Astra satellite dish, presumably ... plus an additional box connected up to the hi-fi system? (I'd prefer to avoid the internet route.) Is a specialist installer needed? Or does the average satellite dealer know what's involved? I'm sure I can't be the only person who is grateful for mw's information and is keen to learn more.

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